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      <![CDATA[37/38: Your anger blinds you. You have named yourself well.
        
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      <![CDATA[@36: Maybe you'd understand it if you didn't live among a bunch of white, upper-middle class people in Fremont who are more interested in "being heard" or voting for some fake-dreadlocked 25-year old pothead instead of being fucked over by the city. Try living in the trenches some time and you'd be glad that Auntie Ruth holds the key to a significant chunk of votes for EVERY council member, not just the one that is shunted off into our district.  Have you been reading the stories about how our Mayor actually has to come down here and beg for our votes?  Fremont Troll, indeed.
        
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      <![CDATA[@36: No one is "sneering" at Bernie Sanders.  You just made that up.  The whole point of my post, which you completely ignored, is that enough "Bernie Sanders" are GUARANTEED not to be elected by this ridiculous scheme, because the at-large members and the members representing upper-middle class districts will have absolutely no reason whatsoever to pay any attention to the lower-middle class population.  Got a problem in SE?  Go tell it to Bernie.  Oh, he's only one vote?  Too fucking bad.  That's what you wanted, you dumb shits.  And guess where we're siting the next transfer station, light rail yard, paint shop, jail, etc., etc., etc.  Bernie's district!  'Cause it's an easy 8-1 vote, with no repercussions for the rest of us.  How can it be so hard for you to understand that?
        
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      <![CDATA[#34: Washington state politics are fairly evenly balanced between Ds and Rs, and if you add in conservative and rural Ds, the fault lines are less about party and more about policy. Hence the conservative/reactionary takeover of the senate.<br />
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In case you haven't been paying attention, the U.S. Senate is still Democratic. It's the House that's Republican in a majority Democratic country, because Republicans control many state legislatures and draw Congressional districts so as to allow a majority of Republican districts (out of 435). <br />
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If S.E. Seattle wants to elect a "Bernie Sanders" as their district representative, who are you to sneer at their choice? That's what representative democracy is all about. Perhaps if enough "Bernie Sanders" were elected we'd actually move toward the just society many if not most of us want. If elected officials don't reflect the politics of a majority of their constituents, they should be voted out of office; districts make that a lot easier to do.<br />
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#35: What's the last time you met with any city council member? How well did he/she understand the issue(s) you raised? And how did they respond to your concern; did you get what you wanted from your contact with “your” city council members? You're basically saying we should have a legislature elected at large state-wide. How well do you think that would work? Over 600,000 and growing is way too large a city for a small town at-large council. Too many demographics and geographies are disenfranchised.
        
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      <![CDATA[Of course, the "more representation" argument only works if <i>your</i> representative is interested and in agreement with you on <i>your</i> issue.<br />
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If not, you're <b>totally fucked</b>.<br />
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Right now, if one Councilperson isn't interested in championing your idea/concern/change you can always try and bend the ear of another.  Try that under a District Election system and those other ones will just laugh you out of their offices!<br />
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(Assuming they'd even deign to give you --a voter from <i>someone else's</i> District-- a meeting with them in the first place!)
        
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      <![CDATA[Yes, districts are great.  So, so, glad we have that Republican State Senate when the State overwhelmingly voted Democrat for the House and Governor.  Way to go, districts!!  And a Republican U.S. Senate when the nation overwhelmingly voted Democrat for the House and President.  Districts, districts!!<br />
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This particular plan GUARANTEES that two of the councilmembers who have to run at large will represent downtown, in addition to the downtown member.  The SE councilmember will be the Bernie Sanders (or Jim McDermott) of the City Council, permanently marginalized and always handed the crappiest, least consequential committee assignment.  And the other eight councilmembers will finally--finally!--be able to stop pretending they give a flying fuck about SE Seattle.
        
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      <![CDATA[#31: Nick Licata was active with Vision Seattle: <a href="http://community.seattletimes.nwsource.com/archive/?date=19970918&amp;slug=2561104" rel="nofollow">1997 Seattle Times article</a>. I'm not sure "prominent" applies; I was not involved in that organization.
        
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      <![CDATA[@25: "Every major politician in Seattle has used the neighborhood council system and "neighborhood revitalization" as a springboard into City Hall's political machine. There is nothing democratic about this."<br />
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That's a pretty ignorant statement. It might have been true 30 years ago, but I don't think there is a single Councilmember at the moment who was a prominent neighborhood activist before taking office. <br />
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And you say the city is giving big contracts to neighborhood "insiders"? Can you cite one?
        
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      <![CDATA[#28: Why don't you engage with non-fallacious argument?
        
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      <![CDATA[@26 Defensive much?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[K]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[A lot of the criticisms of the map have more to do with how the map is drawn than the actual notion of ensuring the city leadership is spread out, or with unrelated issues with campaign finance. (Which, <a href="http://seattletimes.com/html/localnews/2020251169_campaignfinancexml.html" rel="nofollow">in other news...</a>)<br />
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      <![CDATA[#23/25: I have been involved in my neighborhood council for decades. We have indeed succeeded in getting the city to provide contracts for projects that improve the quality of life, such as open space and park development, putting in sidewalks where there were none, improving traffic flow. If you come to our meetings you too can hear the (almost) monthly budget report from the treasurer. It's similar all over town.<br />
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Community councils have indeed been a starting point or way station for some politicians on the way to city hall, including mayors. So what? You'd prefer they come exclusively from law and architect firms and Developers Inc., LLC? Talk about "quasi-private and not subject to public disclosure." Check out the connections of those who contribute the most to council/mayor reelection campaigns; that info at least is public.<br />
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Community/neighborhood councils are not "patronage machines." The do have authority to direct modest funds (e.g., "small and simple", transportation gap grants) to specific projects, but the process is very open. Even so, neighborhood organizations have much less power in Seattle than they did before Nichols became mayor. Their ability to influence the real decisions, like land use/zoning, city capital project siting, transportation infrastructure, even just basic planning, is very attenuated. <br />
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The disenfranchised are left with litigation, or... running a charter amendment to restore a modicum of democratic governance to the urban power structure.
        
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      <![CDATA[@24 These councils are tied up be people and insiders who promulgate a patronage system that rewards people (and consultants) with city funding and projects. There is nothing democratic or inclusive about them, except on paper. They are quasi private organizations, and not subject to public disclosure. Every major politician in Seattle has used the neighborhood council system and "neighborhood revitalization" as a springboard into City Hall's political machine. There is nothing democratic about this.
        
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      <![CDATA[@23 heaven forbid people try to compete directly with the money interests through any sort of direct democracy!
        
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      <![CDATA[Seattle already has Chicago style politics. It's called the neighborhood community councils.
        
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      <![CDATA[#20: The problem with the Electoral College for presidential elections isn't solved by moving to Congressional District apportionment as the Republicans want because Republican controlled legislatures in many states have gerrymandered districts to favor them. The answer--Elect the president by popular vote.<br />
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The problem with inequitable representation to a legislative body at the city level is a very different beast. Your suggestion is like saying we should elect the <u>mayor</u> by districts--winner is the one who gets most votes in four or more districts.
        
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      <![CDATA[@20 right now each council person 'answers' to 620,000 people, which means they're generally free to ignore all but the biggest groups by volume of people or cash. <br />
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In this system it's about 88,000 people to 1. A tremendous amount of power will return by voice to each district. It also means you during elections can ignore the rest of the city, lowering costs of running for office.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Justin]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Isn't this similar to the current argument over changing the electoral college?  If apportioning presidential votes by CD is a bad idea, why does it make sense to do something similar on a citywide level?
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 05:31:57 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[Charlie Mas]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Right now, all of the power and voice rests with downtown interests. Neighborhoods can't be more disenfranchised than they already are.
        
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    <pubDate>Thu, 31 Jan 2013 04:45:46 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[abomb]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Awesome. Better to have 1 person to fire than 9 people to complain to when city council repeatedly ignores your neighborhood. I'll sign.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[gloomy gus]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Thanks for responding, Toby @10. I'm nowhere near sure my concerns are as unfounded as you say, but I'll keep my eyes open during the campaign.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[DOUG.]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I used to hate the idea of district elections because it just pits neighborhood against neighborhood, and who wants more division within city government? BUT...now that it costs $250,000 to run a city-wide Council campaign, I'm warming up to the idea.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Anna Minard]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@10: Fixed, thanks!
        
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      <![CDATA[Well said #2.<br />
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I will decline to sign.
        
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