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      <![CDATA[@7<br />
Let me clarify.  Write a master plan, include a funding mechanism to pay for an Agency of Bicycle Transit (think Sound Transit Phase 1) to implement and manage  it, and put it to a vote in November.  Then we can be done with this ridiculousness once and for all.
        
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      <![CDATA[The "methodology" footnote was laughable. If this had been some wingnut poll, the "progressives" here would be having a field day. And you've got to love the bullshit mom & apple pie questions, combined with the straw man questions about the opponents to Mayor McSchwinn and his insane policies.<br />
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This isn't a survey. It's the usual bullshit "progressive" propaganda dressed up with some numbers to make it seem credible to the incredulous.
        
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      <![CDATA["Yesterday we broke the story..."<br />
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About a poll being released? That's the story you "broke"???<br />
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Notify the Pulitzer committee!!!<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@9: The streets immediately north and south of 45th don't cross I-5.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[There have been national polls out for the past decade where a majority of Americans have asked that a significant portion of dedicated highway funds (about a quarter) be diverted to bicycle and pedestrian facilities.<br />
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At the same time a Portland study has shown that of those who want to ride a bike, over 60 percent will not do so when there are cars present!<br />
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Both bits of data have been around <b>for years</b> and would seem obvious and intuitive to even the most casual observer, however, the dominant theme up until recently has been the vehicular cyclists...the speeding lycra-clad whippet navigating between 45 mph traffic and swinging car doors.   This mindset, which is embedded in even may bike-friendly cities, and in my own experience, in "bicycle advisory boards", has prevented the real work of building dedicated cycle tracks from getting done!<br />
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One can see that it probably benefits the manufacturers who gladly would prefer people paying $8000 for speedy road bikes over a few hundred for hybrids cycles.  <br />
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The end result is the majority has not been served.<br />
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      <![CDATA[omfg. here i am getting all amped because i see some dipshits coming out now against bicycles or whatever and you give me some mcginn propaganda shit from like 2010 like that other guy was talking about? wtf??<br />
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dominic, i bet you drive a fucking car man. fu.<br />
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i was getting all worked up that shit you got is 3 fucking years old man fuck ace hardware.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Lew Siffer]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I was listening to NPR and they were talking about the master plan having a bike line on 45th to Ballard. Doing so would require removing a car lane and/or parking. Why even contemplate putting a bike lane on that busy street?<br />
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Go North or South a street or two and put them on them on the residential street. Most Seattle policy seems to exist only to spend massive amouts of money unnecessarily.  <br />
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Bus bulb/rapid ride. Trolley on Broadway. Deteriorating bike stripes on potholed roads.
        
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      <![CDATA[It seems to me this poll is measuring aspirations more than attitudes.  You may as well include:<br />
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8. Would you favor the building of a teleportation device that could instantaneously and safely transport you to-and-from any point in the known universe?<br />
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Yes 92%<br />
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No 8%<br />
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IOW.<br />
It's not that people are opposed to building bike lanes. They shouldn't be. It's that they're opposed to paying for them.<br />
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And generally, the so-called "bike backlash" is probably more about how the public finds the most vociferous individual bike advocates obnoxious and self-righteous. But when the public is presented with sensible public safety policies they of course favor them.<br />
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    <author><![CDATA[Will in Seattle]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@1 and @6 are at odds with each other. Putting things to a vote depends on when they get voted on.<br />
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February votes have low turnout by most people, except for very old people.<br />
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November votes have very high turnout by everyone.<br />
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Which is why we have a Tunnel, for example.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Cato the Younger Younger]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Should ask if people are willing to pay for it.  Watch those numbers switch really fast...<br />
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Sorry but we want stuff, we just don't want to pay for stuff
        
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    <author><![CDATA[lilmonster206]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I recently saw a documentary "Urbanized" that showed a city that switched the bike lanes with the off the street parking, basically creating a barrier for the bike lane with parked cars. It's extremely low-cost, and could easily be implemented without getting rid of existing car lanes.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Zebes]]></author>
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      <![CDATA["Creating more neighborhood greenways, which are low-speed, low-traffic streets that are safer for families"<br />
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Golly, who wouldn't agree with such friendly language?<br />
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What if I'm not in a ~family~ at the time? Is it still safer for me?
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Will in Seattle]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Really old white voters with landlines who post on the Times while you're busy having fun.<br />
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Oh, and that Tunnel is still a GHG unfunded nightmare. Take those dollars and build bike trails we can use instead.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[rob!]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[The name of that firm reminds me of what someone once said of the ad agency Batten Barton Durstine & Osborn (BBDO): <b>"It sounds like a trunk falling down stairs."</b>
        
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      <![CDATA[Then put it on a ballot and let's be done with it once and for all.
        
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