Comments On: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families by Dan Savage

Comments On: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families by Dan Savage http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/01/23/access-to-abortion-creates-stable-two-parent-families Comments On: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families by Dan Savage en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Wed, 22 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Wed, 22 May 2013 04:00:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by jumpybean]]> Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:33:25 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by jumpybean]]> Thu, 24 Jan 2013 11:29:40 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
And there is a third option that makes shaming both those who abort and those who don't abort out-of-wedlock more consistent. Recall Miss Emily Brent in Ten Little Indians.
Posted by vennominon]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:56:43 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:56:19 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
Raped At 15
Dropped Out of High School
On Welfare
Her Son Shanked His Father In Prison
Thank God Abortion Wasn't An Option
Posted by randoma]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 21:46:32 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
Teen pregnancy and unwed births in the US since 1950:
https://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/tgr/05/1…

Posted by JudT]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 18:49:41 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by Clayton]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 17:31:54 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Hey blip, thanks for the links. Some incredible, and alarming stats therein from National Institutes of Health such as:

"Nearly half (49%) of pregnancies {in the U.S.] were unintended in 2006, up slightly from 2001 (48%). Disparities in unintended pregnancy rates among subgroups persisted and in some cases increased, and women who were 18-24 years old, poor or cohabiting, had rates TWO TO THREE TIMES THE NATIONAL RATE."

The obvious, humane answer is comprehensive sex ed/pregnancy prevention ed from an early (enough) age - it needs to be part of the curriculum like math and reading, and mandatory. As well as easy and cheap access to contraception and abortion. The costs are far too high, otherwise - the impact on women's lives individually, the resulting increase in Medicaid rolls, the cost to the country in productivity, the cost these kids pay just because they were brought into the world unintended - it's not fair to them to be raised in poverty by people that weren't ready for them. It's obvious, therefore, that the right is to blame here, for it's backwards, abstinence only, anti-abortion mindset. Truly, they have SO MUCH to answer for.

Posted by Velvetbabe]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 16:31:05 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ecological_…

And then let's have a conversation about who is theorizing willy nilly.
Posted by blip]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:40:53 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
The thing is, there are knowable facts surrounding these issues that some people dedicate their lives to studying because these issues are important. Below are some links to abstracts from the NIH database for scientific studies, where people explain the findings of their research on access to birth control and abortion, and how such things interact with things like education, poverty, and age (There are many, many more where this came from if you are actually interested in understanding this topic). Please look at them.

The Power of the Pill for the Next Generation: Oral Contraception's Effects on Fertility, Abortion, and Maternal & Child Characteristics

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22389…

Unintended pregnancy in the United States: incidence and disparities, 2006.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21551…

Access to abortion services: a neglected health disparity.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22018…

How are restrictive abortion statutes associated with unintended teen birth?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20638…

Disparities in family planning

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20207…
Posted by blip]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:33:45 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by TreGibbs]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:10:09 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Having lived during that time period, my theory is that there was a LOT of pre-marital sex in the 60's, but the girls that got pregnant dropped out of school or finished up early and got married. Then the date was fudged on the marriage certificate to make it look like the marriage took place before conception.
Why do I think this? Because that's exactly what happened for all 8 of the teenaged girls on my block back in the early 1960's. It was so common that my grandmother in law had a saying," The first baby can come anytime, all the rest take 9 months."
Posted by swing state voter]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 13:07:04 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>

Is it possible that the rise in the rate of out of wedlock births is, in part, the result of changing social norms w/ respect to sex, marriage, and family?

As Stephanie Coontz pointed out in The Way We Never Were, the period between the end of WW II and 1960 was an outlier. For a century in the US (and mush of Europe) the average age of marriage had been going up, the average age of first birth had been going up, the percentage of folks marrying had been declining, and the percent of out of wedlock births had been increasing.

In the early 60s we snapped out of the anomaly and returned to the previous trajectory.

Posted by gnossos]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:56:05 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> (gag)
Posted by eastcoastreader]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:55:02 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by Bonefish]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:53:30 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by ScrawnyKayaker]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:38:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> Posted by Bonefish]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:05:31 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
you're talking about Negroes, aren't you.

go ahead, say it.....N e g r o e.

Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?
Posted by gawd, you're a racist fuck......]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:04:59 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> prison overcrowding,
addiction,
expensive terminal diseases,
poor pathetic slobs who can't seem to have sex without spreading AIDS;
a lot of social problems could be deposited in the dumpster....
Posted by coming SOON to a Gommorah Near YOU!]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 12:01:27 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
The number of same sex couples raising kids is less than a rounding error in the total number of child rearing households.

Cutting the teen birthrate by 10% would affect way more kids.

Posted by Wait..Who...What?!]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:57:18 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]> http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/13/health…

Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:23:06 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
Mind you--I support their decison to have children out of wedlock of they so choose. I just don't understand why anyone would want to.

Posted by Clayton]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:20:24 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
The statistics absolutely do NOT contradict our theories. In order to contradict these theories, those increasing out-of-wedlock births would have to be occurring within the increasing college-educated community. So far though, it looks like that's not the case. There might be a simultaneous increase in college attendance, but those who are going to college are not the ones experiencing increased out-of-wedlock childbirth.

That's what is shown when people actually look at which groups are undergoing increases in out-of-wedlock childbirth (which is necessary if you want to investigate causation). Unless you want to claim that impoverished and undereducated Americans are having kids out-of-wedlock as a result of complete strangers going to college, your little correlation doesn't mean anything.

Posted by Bonefish]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:14:18 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
Abortion, comprehensive sex-ed, access to contraception and reproductive healthcare all address the issue, and they are all opposed by the Right.

So, the Right obviously doesn't actually want to decrease unwanted pregnancies [which would decrease the need for abortion]. They may think they do, but they put their imaginary-world ideology before any actually achievable goal.
Posted by Ophian]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:13:44 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Access to Abortion Creates Stable Two-Parent Families]]>
But, you're correct. The contrast with what is happening to our nation is striking. Pandering to the least intellectual elements of the electorate results in such travesties of civilization as Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-Tex).

Outstanding article, btw. Thanks for the link.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader]]> Wed, 23 Jan 2013 11:10:51 -0800 The Stranger