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      <![CDATA[Guy in Boston: You're totally right, it doesn't say that ... wow, I feel like a dumbass, sorry about that. I don't even know where that idea entered my head. I see your point now.
        
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      <![CDATA[BTW I don't mean that no gay person is allowed to say that this is wrong. It just doesn't advance Dan's cause as well as his other posts entitled Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father.
        
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      <![CDATA[@17 The article doesn't say anything about the guy who was charged being the girl's father. I was talking about her boyfriend when I said father. Anyway my point was that her boyfriend (the father) was reacting to a situation (the unplanned pregnancy) that only happens to straight people. So gay people really have no place to get all holier-than-thou. Not that it's not completely fucked up to do what he did.
        
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      <![CDATA[Guy in Boston: Ummm, so ... you don't think that the father who attempted to abort his daughters fetus without her permission was not abusing said daughter? Therefore acting as an irresponsible parent? Because I would say that is some straight up fucked up shitty abusive parenting right there. And on another note ... if she got pregnant @ age 15 ... he pretty much failed as a parent by not teaching her about sex.
        
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      <![CDATA[I thought the point of these posts was to show that straight parents are often worse than gay parents. But I don't see the logic here. I'm assuming, since the father tried to abort the baby, that this was an unplanned pregnancy. Since gay parents cannot have unplanned pregnancies, this situation couldn't possibly occur with gay parents. BTW this is my first Slog comment ever.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 12 If you're going that route, why is an embryo not a "human being"?  It has all the genes of a human, and the full capability to grow into a human.  All organs have begun to form.<br />
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Why is a blastocyst not a human being?  It has all the genes of a human, all the potential future of a human.  It has already implanted into the uterus wall.  And as you pointed out, you don't care whatsoever that it's not viable outside the womb.<br />
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For that matter, why is an unfertilized ovum not a human being?  It has a complete copy of a human genome, minus the extra X/Y chromosome.  Shouldn't it be considered human?  Shouldn't every menstrual period be considered murder?  <br />
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I choose to define the moment a fetus becomes a human being as at birth, for ethical and religious reasons.  Otherwise, logically, a miscarrying woman would be guilty of involuntary manslaughter.  You, of course, can choose differently.
        
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      <![CDATA[@12 Also, note that a fetus is a human, by definition (it contains human DNA), but not a human being. The term "being" implies independent physiological existence outside of a pregnant woman. A fetus is a potential human being. A good analogy I have heard is that "a fetus is a potential human being, just like an acorn is a potential oak tree. It contains all of the DNA of an oak tree, but it is not an oak tree."
        
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      <![CDATA[@12 But those people are already outside of the womb. They have already been viable sans womb. They are not dependent upon those machines to grow into a viable stage of human formation in which to exist beyond the womb. They are not dependent on the body/biology/life of another human being in order to live. They are not having an immediate physiological, biological and psychological effect on another person.
        
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      <![CDATA[Why is a fetus not a "human being"? It has all the genes of a human, all the cellular activity of a human. How is it not a human being? And the "not viable outside the womb" argument doesn't work. That would mean anyone in an ICU being kept alive by a respirator is no longer a human being.
        
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      <![CDATA[Sperm and eggs are alive. When they get together that's alive too. There is no stage where the thing is dead. It's not a person yet, but it's alive just like your other cells and organs.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5 Even tumors are not removed without the consent of the victim/patient you fuckwitt.
        
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      <![CDATA[The choice we speak of is - THE CHOICE OF THE WOMAN.<br>
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Period. Her body, her choice.<br>
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      <![CDATA[@5 A fetus is an incredible potentiality.  It's not a human being.  All the same, you don't harm it for no reason, and you definitely don't harm it without the woman's consent.  At the very least, it's part of her body, and thus counts as assault.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@5-- Its not murder to kill a fetus, but it IS a very serious assault and battery on the pregnant woman (if done without her consent).
        
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      <![CDATA[Sheesh, how many teenage boys does it take to slip an abortion-inducing cow hormone into a girl's drink?
        
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      <![CDATA[How can you "kill" something that isn't "life"?  I thought the Slog consensus was that fetus's are just tumors?  Why is it when the father exercises his "choice" its all the sudden murder?
        
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      <![CDATA[Good Morning Dan,<br />
Speaking of bad(?) parents, checkout this medical phenom:<br />
<a href="http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30864533/?GT1=43001">http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/30864533/?&hellip;</a><br />
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Wow. Ms. Washington is quite fecund and quite active. She’s 20 y/o and the father of one of the twins and the expectant daughter is 44 y/o. In addition, she has a 4 y/o. Medically, it is fascinating. But, practically, it is problematic. I wish them luck. They’ll need a lot of it.
        
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      <![CDATA[Is this one of the consequences of pregnancy Bristol was talking about?
        
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      <![CDATA[But at least they can still get married...  Cuz, you know, it's not about love or anything, it's about being a man and a woman...
        
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