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      <![CDATA[#50, the "progressives" love it when Peruvian farmers are poor. It makes them humble, and so photogenic.
        
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      <![CDATA[Sorta perused the linked story...<br>
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But the economics of this don't smell right. If quinoa prices are being driven up due to high demand, shouldn't poor farmers that farm quinoa be making more money? And can't that money be used to purchase more calories?<br>
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And shouldn't more poor farmers be moving towards quinoa as a crop?<br>
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And there we go: http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/jan&hellip;<br>
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The conditions of life there may not be great. But at least this is offering some further income and a chance to move out of poverty.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ah, fuck the animals. Wait, that's Savage's department. Eat the animals, I say. At least the ones that taste good.
        
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      <![CDATA[I am not vegan or even vegetarian and I love quinoa. I think it is unfair to demonise vegans. Quinoa has been commercially touted as a superfood by the media, and I think that is why it is so popular. If we all stop eating it, what happens to the jobs of the Peruvians and Bolivians who grow and collect it? This is also a problem to be considered. The importers and sellers of quinoa could easily choose to price the quinoa differently and fairly for local vs international imports, but they choose not to. This is a complex situation. I will stop eating it if it is really the best thing, but I do question if it is.
        
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      <![CDATA[I love quinoa, but I'm not a vegan.  The whole gluten-free fad is the reason quinoa is so popular right now.
        
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      <![CDATA[#44, how about seven?
        
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      <![CDATA[@41, Yes, probably. And I even live in Vancouver, where black people are a smaller minority than in most of the U.S. Now don't move the goalposts again or you'll look like a nincompoop. I'm sorry the world doesn't fit your dumb stereotypes.
        
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      <![CDATA[Here are two responses to Joanna Blyman's piece Slog readers may be interested in, by yours truly and the other by Mimi Bekhechi of PETA:<br>
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/&hellip;<br>
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http://indianapublicmedia.org/eartheats/&hellip;
        
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      <![CDATA[@36 - Tunk Mountain Hippies selling quinoa at the co-op in Tonasket? I LOVE IT.
        
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      <![CDATA[#39, how about three?
        
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      <![CDATA[@30 Apparently, <a href="http://www.quinoa.com/store/3-canadian-quinoa" rel="nofollow">quinoa is grown commercially in Canada.</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@38 Yes, in fact, I have. Don't be silly.
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh please. Has anyone ever met a black vegan? If so, have you met two?
        
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      <![CDATA[And what do you mean by "white vegans"? What racist crap is that? Because I've lost all tolerance for Mudede's ethereal twaddle, does that make me racist, too?
        
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      <![CDATA[Quinoa is grown in the Washington Okanogan. The first I ever bought it was from the co-op in Tonasket,  locally-grown. Probably 15-20 years ago.
        
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      <![CDATA[@28 Thanks for joining the hater parade.  Douche.
        
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      <![CDATA[I've been eating quinoa for nearly twenty years and I'm not vegan.  No matter what food anyone eats, someone will find something wrong with it.  Maybe a clearer focus on the fact this planet generates enough food to feed everyone yet people are still starving everyday would be a good place to start putting this into perspective.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[This strikes me as a short term problem.  Solutions, be they alternatives, breeding, or genetic engineering, take time.  Also, the flip side of this is that (this is speculation) some formally poor 3rd world farmers are now likely pulling in a lot more money than they were less than a decade ago.  God forbid these guys get out of poverty.
        
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      <![CDATA[It is a shame that Charles presented this article so poorly. There are some very good elements to this story, even though The Guardian should be faulted for calling out vegans.The fact is that global consumption changes local conditions and real people suffer while solutions are found. Remember when gasahol legislation during Bush Jr's admin sent corn prices through the roof? Poor people in Mexico couldn't afford to buy their staple food. When a few cents stands between you and hunger, waiting for "market adjustments" isn't the firts thing that comes to mind.
        
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      <![CDATA[Eh, I know some vegans like quinoa, but when I really started seeing quinoa EVERYWHERE was when the "gluten-free" fad started to pick up steam. Now everyone thinks they have a gluten allergy (when it is more than likely they do not), and so they're all eating quinoa as a substitute.
        
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      <![CDATA[Maybe I'm confused, but according to the label on my quinoa, it's grown in Canada, too. [shrug]
        
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      <![CDATA[This is a variant of the resource curse faced by countries with mineral wealth.  The answer is not impovishering the country by cutting off the export if a cash crop. Nor is it hippie punching. If quinoa faced an export tariff or if taxes on agricultural land were raised, the prosperity from the world's demand could be more broadly shared within the producing countries. <br>
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In any case, I don't see the irony described as ghastly in the final block quote. Even taking the claims and the framing of the article as true, personal health, animal welfare, and carbon reduction are not in tension with denying food security to others. Food security shouldn't be based on irrelevant accusations of hypocrisy.<br>
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I am always amazed by how threatened people are by the dietary choices of others.
        
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      <![CDATA[White Seattle vegans in an uproar on Slog, hahaha! Too good. In your face, you holier-than-thou over-privileged asshats. Maybe the fact that you are screwing over poor South Americans will shut up your preachy lilywhite traps for once. Thanks for posting, Charles! And keep posting your "outraged" comments, whiteys - it's super entertaining. You people are so predictable.
        
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      <![CDATA[Only white, privileged hipsters pay attention to NPR. <br />
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Which I'm sure is what Charles so desperately wants to be.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 11:57:23 -0800</pubDate>
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