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Judge Wyld — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 12:50:19 -0800

That's not equality. Single people are shorted pension benefits to give a hand out to spouses. (reference family insurance benefits too) How could a union say they represent all of the workers if they provide unequal benefits between married and single workers. I do not approve such incompetence by unions. Extended pensions are not survivor benefits since single people can't designate someone who survives them to get the pension benefit. Spouses are no longer stay at home, complete dependents, like they were 'in the old days' when the spouse handouts were created. The companies should do away with this benefit completely or define it for completely dependent spouses over several decades on humanitarian grounds. Perhaps pension benefits for single people should be increased by at least 50% to make it equal. Unions, don't take credit for cozying up to married people. Judge
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Re: Boeing Agrees to Provide Equal Pension Benefits to Married Gay Couples

Lissa — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:36:02 -0800

@ 11: Exactly. It is no skin off management's nose to say they will extend something to same sex partners which they are ACTIVELY trying to do away with entirely.
It is a cynical, empty gesture on their part.
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Cato the Younger Younger — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 07:42:37 -0800

@11...thank you for cutting through the stupifying layers of bullshit people have been throwing around on this issue.
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six shooter — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:46:58 -0800

@9 -- From what I understand, the standard battery systems were built in China and the Japanese battery systems were installed post-sale.

The airplanes are assembled in Everett and Charleston, but parts for the plastic airplane come from all over the world.
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Slartibartfast — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 06:22:59 -0800

Does anyone know if this applies outside Washington? I live in Huntsville, Alabama, and Boeing is one of our major employers here (along with NASA and other aerospace companies). We're not going to be legalizing gay anything anytime soon short of the National Guard forcing it at gunpoint, but it would be nice for Boeing to buck the trend.
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mjh55404 — Fri, 18 Jan 2013 04:33:06 -0800

Do not thank ANYONE for this....DO not thank the STRANGER for this article either.

The article misses the whole fact that the HEART of the dispute with SPEEA is that BOEING wants to end the pension plan.

Ending the pension plan means that future workers will no longer receive survivor benefits.

Can you thank someone who only extended it to the workers of yesterday and today and is eliminating it for future workers?

btw, 401K's do not have same sex survivor options if I am correct....they only get to inherit the money and have to pay extra taxes because the relationship is not covered by federal law.

Read it for yourself: http://www.speea.org
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Will in Seattle — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:40:23 -0800

@9 I see you've never worked closely with Boeing management.

I have.

Their attitudes are still pretty much stuck in the 50's
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COMTE — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 22:09:09 -0800

@8:

Boeing wouldn't have survived into the 21st Century - think of all the companies that HAVEN'T - whilst maintaining a 1950's style of, well, anything. OTOH, it wouldn't hurt them to, you know, LISTEN to their employees - the people who actually MAKE the planes.

Personally, I'm waiting to find out just which factory the malfunctioning 787's were built: Everett, Charleston or both.
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sarah70 — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:51:34 -0800

Boeing is not to be congratulated, or recognized, for anything except remaining a 1950s company in the 21st century.
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Tawnos — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 21:42:43 -0800

About time Boeing. I'd love to say "good job", but at this point it's just "about time."
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COMTE — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:59:47 -0800

Rather than calling this a "retreat", I'd characterize it more as a "step forward" for Boeing management.

Regardless of any other issues of contention that may be complicating negotiations, they're doing the right thing on this one (perhaps somewhat reluctantly, but doing it nonetheless), and that should be acknowledged.
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Kenneth Aphibal — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:45:54 -0800

I'd like to congratulate the Stranger, www.Change.org, Equal Rights Washington, Congressmen Adam Smith, and SPEEA for driving the message of equality. Boeing should also be recognized for charting the course for the aerospace industry and other employers that are under ERISA. Equality one step at a time.
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madcap — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 20:23:15 -0800

Now can they design a plane that doesn't set itself on fire?
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Re: Boeing Agrees to Provide Equal Pension Benefits to Married Gay Couples

Dominic Holden — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:07:38 -0800

@1) Several unions reps were there, all of whom reported hearing the same thing from Boeing. And when I asked a Boeing spokesman directly, he evaded the question and never denied that was the company's position. There's no reason to doubt the union's account here. My original post explains the situation.

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Re: Boeing Agrees to Provide Equal Pension Benefits to Married Gay Couples

doceb — Thu, 17 Jan 2013 18:55:16 -0800

As we first reported in November, the Boeing Company told union leaders that, even though Washington State's voters legalized marriage equality, it would continue to deny same-sex couples equal benefits because they weren't required to by federal law.

...according to a union spokesperson. Besides the spokesperson's comments, is there really any other evidence that Boeing ever made such a statement itself, or ever took that position?
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