http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/01/15/the-problem-is-not-white-people-with-guns-but-black-people-with-guns Comments On: The Problem Isn't White People With Guns, It's Black People With Guns by Charles Mudede en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Sun, 19 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Sun, 19 May 2013 22:30:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Michael32]]> Mon, 04 Mar 2013 19:53:57 -0800 The Stranger
That's just one example; he has a pretty solid history of not devoting any real consideration to the positions he takes when he posts here.
Posted by doceb]]> Fri, 18 Jan 2013 10:02:03 -0800 The Stranger
First he's mixing up murder rate and "gun related deaths" which are not the same, as the latter includes suicides and accidents. Then there's this:

"If black Americans account for about 50 percent of all gun-related homicides (a figure white supremacists love to point out), that would mean there were around 5000 white gun-related deaths in the US in 2005."

No, it doesn't mean that. Did we just forget about all of the ones who are neither white nor black? No Hispanics or Asians were involved in any of this? Wtf?
Posted by NeilO]]> Thu, 17 Jan 2013 10:25:10 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:55:23 -0800 The Stranger I too, agree with @8 but disagree with your very brief statistical point (I know you didn't bring it up). I simply don't believe in comparing gun-related homicides in Belgium with the USA. They are two different universes regarding violent crime and gun-related homicides in particular.For the record, I don't know if Ann Coulter is nuts, racist or both. I've never read her or listened to her on TV.

However, I do believe this stat from the Dept. of Justice (Nov 2011):

“Blacks were disproportionately represented as both homicide victims and offenders. The victimization rate for blacks (27.8 per 100,000) was 6 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000). The offending rate for blacks (34.4 per 100,000) was almost 8 times higher than the rate for whites (4.5 per 100,000).”

“Males represented 77% of homicide victims and nearly 90% of offenders. The victimization rate for males (11.6 per 100,000) was 3 times higher than the rate for females (3.4 per 100,000). The offending rate for males (15.1 per 100,000) was almost 9 times higher than the rate for females (1.7 per 100,000).”

“Approximately a third (34%) of murder victims and almost half (49%) of the offenders were under age 25. For both victims and offenders, the rate per 100,000 peaked in the 18 to 24 year-old age group at 17.1 victims per 100,000 and 29.3 offenders per 100,000.”

In addition, I read that the city of Chicago had over 500 murders in 2012. The number was up by more than 20% from the prior year.

There is nary a doubt that THESE are horrific statistics. More has been provided from some of the posts. I totally agree. We must be open to discussing race/cultural issues involved in the vast majority of homicides in the USA. This is a national tragedy.
Posted by lark]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 22:36:37 -0800 The Stranger Using your numbers, with 57% of murders perpetrated BY blacks (13% of the population) vs 42% perpetrated by White incl Hispanic (78%) the "murders committed per capita" is about 8x higher, higher still if you separate out Hispanic.

If the goal of policy changes is to reduce total homicides, that information seems relevant. I had no idea there was such a large difference.


Posted by Dragnet]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:09:45 -0800 The Stranger victims by race. BJS tracks perpetrators by race. Not the same thing.

Also, the tabular data in Logan's paper are for 2007 only. (The line graphs cover 1999-2007.)
Posted by RonK, Seattle]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:31:56 -0800 The Stranger
cdc "Homicides — United States, 1999–2007" Logan

the report should come up.

It also doesn't break down homicides by method. I wonder if the "57%" matched up with the percentage of the population doesn't come close to the rates per100,000 given in the CDC report.
Posted by Dragnet]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:49:07 -0800 The Stranger
In general, the share of US gun homicides committed by blacks is around 57%, for whites it's ~42%, with minor variation by year(s) tabulated and by methodology applied to ethnic categories, e.g. Hispanics.

Also as a rule in US gun homicides, blacks victimize blacks (~94%).
Posted by RonK, Seattle]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:49:34 -0800 The Stranger
Best comment in this thread! Who cares about Coulter? Sensible gun control needs to be implemented. Glad to see President Obama doing something about this problem.
Posted by Patricia Kayden]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 10:29:12 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Pope Peabrain]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:17:57 -0800 The Stranger
Hmmmmm... Highly unpopular radical interpretation of the Second Amendment is forced down the nation's throats by a lobbying group using money to manipulate politicians. A lobbying group that doesn't even represent the views of its own members. Rather it slavishly serves the profit interests of the corporations that control it financially.

What does that have to do with race?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 08:16:20 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:22:44 -0800 The Stranger
In the meantime while I wait for your confiscation squads, I'd suggest that you not break into my house, fuckhead.
Posted by Boring Dad is Boring]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 05:07:06 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Pope Peabrain]]> Wed, 16 Jan 2013 04:57:00 -0800 The Stranger Posted by mubhappy]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:19:44 -0800 The Stranger Posted by mubhappy]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:17:21 -0800 The Stranger Heller, handgun bans are unconstitutional. And that's almost exactly what a ban on semi-auto handguns would be.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 23:14:14 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Boring Dad is Boring]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:38:18 -0800 The Stranger White: 6.9/100,000
Black: 109/100,000

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml…
Posted by Dragnet]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:28:18 -0800 The Stranger Posted by lolorhone]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:15:08 -0800 The Stranger Posted by doceb]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 22:12:05 -0800 The Stranger
If the Belgians..with gun control..still manage to kill off so many of their countrymen, then they must be some angry little Worlds Fair IHOP loving powdered sugar and strawberries on top mofos.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:53:21 -0800 The Stranger Posted by sarah70]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:47:03 -0800 The Stranger Posted by sirkowski]]> Tue, 15 Jan 2013 21:21:14 -0800 The Stranger