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      <![CDATA[Popular? Hardly! Modest survey? Definitely!
        
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      <![CDATA[So a group of people from the libraries, utilities and a committee, places that have ZERO connection to the use of bags, get together and say how successful the bag ban is???  The bag ban is economically TERRIBLE:<br>
http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/&hellip;
        
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      <![CDATA[53: I don't know why I'm wasting time engaging you, but ocean currents only go "towards" the coast during winter, when the Davidson current flows northward (along the coast, actually) and the Coriolis effect causes some shoreward movement.  <br />
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During spring and summer, though, the Davidson current disappears and only the southward-flowing California current remains: with this current, the Coriolis effect creates offshore movement.<br />
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If you're going to name yourself as some champion of science and logic, you might actually want to know a thing or two about science and logic.  In your rush to put "progressive" in quotation marks five times per post and make convoluted Sarah Palin comparisons, it seems you overlooked a couple obvious things.<br />
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There; now you can tell me how having any actual knowledge about basic local oceanography is just such Sarah Palin "progressive" bullshit.
        
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      <![CDATA[So there's trash in the ocean, and even plastic bags. It's a real problem. But that doesn't mean there is any connection with the use of plastic grocery bags in the United States, or Seattle, or elsewhere on the West Coast. The ocean currents don't go outward from the West Coast. They go toward us. So, even if Seattle or other West Coast cities were discarding plastic bags into the water (which they are not: see comment #25), they wouldn't be getting into the ocean.<br />
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Of course, I'm giving you logic. But you are a "progressive," and like your right wingnut cousins, you are not about science, or logic. You are all about your faith, which is really faith in your superiority, or actually the need to generate that faith to cover your insecurity. It's a game of appearances, not reality.<br />
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Call your good friend Sarah Palin, #52, and pray on it. You're just as stupid and hypocritical as she is, and every bit as stubborn in your ignorance.
        
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      <![CDATA["The proliferation of plastic waste endangers fish and wildlife. A 2005 study found that almost 200 species of marine life are adversely affected by plastic bag pollution. Tens of thousands of whales, birds, seals, and turtles are killed annually from plastic bags. Fish and wildlife mortalities are caused by:<br />
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Strangulation<br />
Restricting mobility<br />
Disrupting digestion<br />
Marine animals often mistake plastic bags for food, such as jellyfish. Once eaten, the bags cannot be processed and block the digestive system, making it very difficult for animals to get proper nutrition, and can lead to a slow and painful death from starvation or dehydration. To make matters worse, when the creature dies and decomposes, the plastic bags will be re-released into the environment."<br />
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<a href="http://www.citizenscampaign.org/campaigns/plastic-bags.asp" rel="nofollow">http://www.citizenscampaign.org/campaign&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[#49, I have a front loading, low-water washer. <br />
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#50, somewhere a "progressive" was raped by a plastic bag, which is why the hive mind has declared them evil.
        
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      <![CDATA[Isn't it time for a rape joke in here somewhere? That's what this thread is missing.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 46, get a front-loading washer (your clothes will also be happier) and spend some coin on a bag. Those PCC bags were $10 apiece in 1997, and they've been worth it. Hell, they probably paid for themselves in bag refunds several times now.
        
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      <![CDATA[@39, he doesn't go away.  He just invents more names to post over.   You have power -- please make him go away.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah, it's awful how they all think they're better than real progressives like you, who think that there are too many brown people in line at the grocery store with their EBT cards.
        
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      <![CDATA[#41, they do the same thing at Costco. I doubt the average grocery store has enough boxes, or the ability to stack them next to the registers. As for whether the textiles are virgin or recycled, I doubt it would matter much. It doesn't matter for paper bags.<br />
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#40, I have quickly accumulated a dozen or so cloth bags. One of them crapped out after about five uses, and the others are wearing out fast. I wash them after each use, which is what public health authorities recommend. Of course, "progressives" wouldn't ever want to know about the people whose medical status might make them more susceptible to infections, just like the "progressives" who are fighting their war on cars wish that the elderly and the disabled would just die already. As for the "sad trombone," I'll do just fine. I'm accustomed to the change, and consider it minor. But it's one of those small things that shows so vividly how Seattle's "progressives" are just as stupid, hypocritical, science-denying, and faith-based as the wingnuts to whom they're always pretending to be so superior.<br />
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#44, no shit, huh? The worst thing is how they think they're smarter and better.
        
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      <![CDATA[Still hate hate hate it.  The paper bags get wet, because, you know, this is Seattle.  Wet bags tear easily.<br />
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And I now drive my car a bit more cause I don't like dealing with paper bags when walking or busing.
        
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      <![CDATA[Mister G, you fucking rock. Thank you for making my day. These predictable mealy-mouthed "progressive" dipshit locals are enough to make me wretch half the time. Way to hose 'em on their ignorance. *high five*
        
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      <![CDATA[@41 about 40 years ago (when I was a kid) they used to have a big cage at the Safeway stores in Seattle with boxes you could use to take groceries home. The supermarkets stopped giving shoppers the boxes when they made more by selling the cardboard to be recycled.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Ben]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Man, some people just won't let you agree with them.
        
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      <![CDATA[In Germany (and I believe much of Continental Europe), grocery stores have gigantic wire cages that employees wheel around the store to hold their boxes while stocking. Most shoppers just grab one of these boxes for their groceries and recycle it at home. No bag needed, and the box would have been recycled anyways. Dunno why it isn't an option in the US...<br />
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And Mister G: The study assumes cotton bags are made entirely from virgin textiles. This isn't necessarily the case. Environmentally speaking the best option is to make the damn thing yourself. All it takes is an old t-shirt and some thread...
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 24, I wash them every time I do the laundry. The sad trombone plays for thee...
        
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      <![CDATA[@38, if you ignore it, it will go away.
        
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      <![CDATA[@33 That's cool that you came up with a major finding that the authors didn't include in their Key Findings section. The study simply doesn't agree with you and you haven't shown that it does.
        
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      <![CDATA[#35, I've got a big bladder. And to you and others who say you won't listen because of my manner of expression, I say: Bullshit. This is the Slog, and I'm no more profane than the Stranger is. And "progressives" never listened to anyone else no matter what, so I might as well as least have the satisfaction of telling them what puffed-up, Palinesque jokes they really are.
        
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      <![CDATA[Here's another one: One place I go in town gives me a biodegradable plastic bag for free. Which contributes quadruple the global warming effect because, a) it's made with corn starch, and they use lots of oil in growing, shipping, and processing corn, and turning it into corn starch, and then incorporating into plastic bags, and b) they're heavier, which means more oil used in shipping them, and c) when they break down, they release CO2.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@32: What the fuck are you talking about?  I'm not butt-hurt, because you're not insulting me.  I don't thrill to hurling insults at wingnuts, because I don't really hurl that many insults at wingnuts.  I can handle snarkery, you're just getting annoying.<br><br>And not "Gosh, I know he's right but I hate admitting I'm wrong" annoying.  More like "little kid who pees his own pants just to be a pain in the ass" annoying.
        
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    <pubDate>Tue, 15 Jan 2013 15:41:30 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Another little bit of irony: Yes, you can get plastic bags now for a nickel, i.e., those thick ones at Bartell's. Which aren't nearly as good for re-use as poop bags or wastebasket lines, but suck to reuse at the grocery store because they're impossible to clean. And those things, because they use a lot more petroleum in manufacture, and in shipping because of how much heavier they are, have become much more commonly used here.<br />
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But hey, that's fact, science, and evidence. Which amount to <i>absolutely nothing</i> when opposed to "progressive" vanity, ego, appearances, hypocrisy, ignorance, and "faith."
        
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      <![CDATA[#31, you "progressive" idiot, you really can't read very well. Or you choose not to. I never claimed that the study literally called disposable plastic bags "the most environmentally friendly bag." I asserted that the study makes this clear. And it does. As for what the study looked at, why don't you tell me what bags used on any sort of wide scale in the United States weren't included.<br />
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To my reading of it, all the biggies are there: thin disposable plastic (banned here), thick plastic, reusable cloth, reusable vinyl, paper, biodegradable plastic. And they gave cloth a big break, because they never examined (or maybe I missed it, but I don't think so) the environmental issues involved with laundering cloth bags.<br />
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So there you go, doing the typical "progressive" imitation of Sarah Palin: denying science, dancing around the facts, playing word games. It's quite frankly what I expected, because it's how "progressives" in Seattle handle pretty much of everything they do.
        
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      <![CDATA[I love it when the "progressives" here get so butt-hurt at being so deservedly mocked, in quotes, for their arrogance, hypocrisy, and faith-based bullshit. What, your tender hearts that thrill to hurling every insult you can at the wingnuts (who almost always deserve to be insulted, just like you do) can't handle a little snarkery directed your way? What a bunch of stupid shit, #30, not to put too fine a point on it.
        
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