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      <![CDATA[This is bullshit. You can't blame others when someone takes their own life.  Many, many people have faced MUCH worse punishments (and been convicted!) and not committed suicide.  She was doing what she is supposed to do, which is charge people who have committed crimes with those crimes.  This is grossly irresponsible though sadly unsurprising coming from The Stranger.
        
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      <![CDATA[Pretty cold not to feel sorry for him. I feel incredibly sorry for him, particularly because he obviously never got the help he needed to address his mental illness. It's just absurd to blame "THE GOVERNMENT" for his death while totally ignoring the seriousness of his condition. <br />
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Attempting to score cheap political points over Aaron's suicide is the real bitch move here.
        
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No shit.  I was looking at 12-60 years in Illinois for ganja food.  I didn't get a rope, I got a lawyer and fought it.  Kid had way more money and was looking at way less time.  He was depressed and a pussy.  Nothing wrong with being depressed, but giving up like that is a bitch move.  Kid never heard of Canada?  Seriously.  I'll feel bad for his friends and family and acknowledge the larger loss, but I'm not feeling sorry for the kid.
        
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      <![CDATA[In 2006 I was informed by the police that someone had broken into my home and that they required permission to enter to find him. They didn't find the intruder but they did find my stash of marijuana. I had we'll over an ounce and had a bad habit of saving the bags of previous ounces purchaced and all the little crumbs left behind for rolling salad joints. I was charged with felony posession. Not only that, the prosecutor informed my lawyer from the start that if I were to even attempt to fight that they would tack on intent to sell and take me to trial seeking a minimum of 5 years imprisonment. <br />
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For posessing marijuana they found in my home while looking for someone who robbed my house.<br />
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My situation was dire..but I learned my rights, gathered my resources, got a good lawyer and faught it. I ended up with a simple misdemeanor conviction with 2 years probation and community service.<br />
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I didn't kill myself.<br />
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Aaron Swartz killed himself to make you wonderful folks in in the Internet Justice League shit their pants and blame the government for his death. He suffered a lifelong battle with depression and could not win his battle through this hardship. He instead martyred himself.<br />
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By blaming the government for his death you are doing a great disservice to the countless suffering from this mental illness. Shame on you Dominic and the rest of you for using his death to push this agenda. It doest matter that "its what he wanted". His killer was depression. Not Carmen Ortiz.<br />
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Had I killed myself facing years of prison for a victimless crime I would not have been able to spend the following years fighting for marijuana leagaliation in this state. A fight we just won, by the way.<br />
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He could have been a hero of the free information movement. Instead, he's a corpse.
        
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      <![CDATA[Background on U.S. attorney Stephen Heymann, who apparently pursued Aaron to gain publicity for himself: <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14/aaron-swartz-stephen-heymann_n_2473278.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/14&hellip;</a><br />
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Aaron's lawyer "nearly negotiated" plea deal with no jail time, but MIT would not sign off on it: <a href="http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/01/15/humanity-deficit/bj8oThPDwzgxBSHQt3tyKI/story.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bostonglobe.com/metro/2013/01&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[<i>@47, johnjjeeves --- I call absolute bullcrap on you, dood!</i><br />
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You want to go back and closely examine how Ortiz rolled over on <strong>The October Surprise</strong>, she gots some serious s**t in her background, sonny!<br />
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<i>@51, delirian</i>, much thanx, you completely nailed it in your response --- Ortiz is the friend of the bankster, has she has proven in the past --- yet another faux crat.<br />
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      <![CDATA[Keep in mind, this hadn't gone to trial. Just because he "could be facing" up to 35 years means nothing - given the type of crime, it's very likely that he would have served the sentences concurrently (if he wasn't just given probation). 35 years or however many years it was, was simply media hype; in which case Dominic should also be "rightly" blaming himself and his peers.<br />
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Lastly, a lot like the Tyler Clementi/Ravi Dharun case, there is no note - we don't know why Swartz or Clementi killed themselves. Both were free men, any number of intervening factors could have prompted their action. <br />
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The reference the initial point, Ravi was CONVICTED on 15 felony counts, he could have been sentenced to 10 years, and instead got 30 days (the generic legal principle is that multiple convictions stemming from a single act are served concurrently).
        
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      <![CDATA[Carmen Ortiz took a chance and wanted to make an example out of "this kid" so that no other kid would fight the power like he did. These walled gardens that are put up around our content that we paid for are beyond shameful and to have stood with a group of people trying to keep MY INFORMATION from ME should be shamed out of human existence based on that alone.<br />
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Then there's the shame they will always carry for killing the reddit guy. That's the meme right there. "Attempt to make oligarchs happy by enforcing maximum copyright sentence, gets remembered as the lawyer who killed the most promising 20 year old of the 21st century". It doesn't matter what the facts are. This person is forever the worst person in existence. Aaron's crime was that of justice. Aaron's crime is the crime of all of us. How many of you used youtube today? Every single one of you likely broke the exact same law Aaron was accused of breaking. Only instead of shitty pop music this hero took knowledge from our universities and wanted to give that information we already all paid for and give it away to us for free because it's ours. Carmen Ortiz is a monster. Carmen Ortiz should be shamed. I'm too emotional to do it properly, but if I could compare Carmen Ortiz to any monster in history, the church people who would guard book and ban reading? Carmen Ortiz is a crusader for the owners. A complete sell out who's more than willing to kill 20 year olds to make a name for themselves. It's what they were bribed to do and it's likely they know it. For the rest of their life that money will be tainted by the blood they spilled for it. It will be hard to enjoy a pool the way you should while you're constantly thinking about the child you destroyed for it. Could a pool really be worth stopping human progress? Doesn't matter got paid.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm going to go with delirian on this one and refuse to shed a tear for Elsevier and their 5 (if not 6)-figure yearly subscriptions. The only reason they are still able to get away with charging that much to publish (often only digitally) the results of tax-payer funded research is that the careers of academics are so dependent on publishing in journals with a high "impact factor". Basically it's a self-perpetuating system that where, like, 2 huge corporations rake in piles of cash for selling something they basically get for free.<br />
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      <![CDATA[@50 already posted this. But worth repeating down-thread. <br />
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<a href="http://unhandled.com/2013/01/12/the-truth-about-aaron-swartzs-crime/" rel="nofollow">http://unhandled.com/2013/01/12/the-trut&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[There's some <a href="http://www.zephoria.org/thoughts/archives/2013/01/13/aaron-swartz.html" rel="nofollow">thoughtful analysis of the situation</a> from Aaron's friend Danah Boyd.<br />
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In it, she wrote:<br />
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<blockquote><p>What made me so overwhelmingly angry yesterday was the same thing that has been boiling in my gut for the last two years. When the federal government went after him – and MIT sheepishly played along – they weren’t treating him as a person who may or may not have done something stupid. He was an example. And the reason they threw the book at him wasn’t to teach him a lesson, but to make a point to the entire Cambridge hacker community that they were p0wned. It was a threat that had nothing to do with justice and everything to do with a broader battle over systemic power. In recent years, hackers have challenged the status quo and called into question the legitimacy of countless political actions. Their means may have been questionable, but their intentions have been valiant. The whole point of a functioning democracy is to always question the uses and abuses of power in order to prevent tyranny from emerging. Over the last few years, we’ve seen hackers demonized as anti-democratic even though so many of them see themselves as contemporary freedom fighters. And those in power used Aaron, reframing his information liberation project as a story of vicious hackers whose terroristic acts are meant to destroy democracy.</p><br />
<p>Reasonable people can disagree about tactics and where and when a particular approach pushes too far. Like <a href="http://bit.ly/11qoCEu" rel="nofollow">Lessig</a>, I often disagreed with Aaron about his particular approach to freeing the world’s information, even if I never disagreed with him about the goal. And one of the reasons why so many hackers and geeks spent yesterday raging against the machine is because so many people in power have been unable to see past the particular acts and understand the intentions and activism. So much public effort has been put into controlling and harmonizing geek resistance, squashing the rebellion, and punishing whoever authorities can get their hands on. But most geeks operate in gray zones, making it hard for them to be pinned down and charged. It’s in this context that Aaron’s stunt gave federal agents enough evidence to bring him to trial to use him as an example. They used their power to silence him and publicly condemn him even before the trial even began.</p><br />
<p>Yesterday, there was an outpouring of information about his case, including an amazing account from the defense’s <a href="http://unhandled.com/2013/01/12/the-truth-about-aaron-swartzs-crime/" rel="nofollow">expert witness</a>. Many people asked why people didn’t speak up before. I can only explain my reasoning. I was too scared to speak publicly for fear of how my words might be used against him. And I was too scared to get embroiled in the witch hunt that I’ve watched happen over the last three years. Because it hasn’t been about justice or national security. It’s been about power. And it’s at the heart and soul of why the Obama administration has been a soul crushing disappointment to me. I’ve gotten into a ridiculous number of fights over the last couple of years with folks in the administration over the treatment of geeks and the misunderstanding of hackers, but I could never figure how to make a difference on that front. This was a source of serious frustration for me, even as SOPA/PIPA showed that geeks could make a difference.</p><br />
<p>So here we are today, the world lacking a prodigious child whose intellect scared the shit out of everyone who knew him. He became a toy for a government set on showing their strength. And they bullied him and preyed on his weaknesses and sought to break him. And they did. All for the performance of justice. All before he was even tried in a society that prides itself on innocent until proven guilty. Was depression key to what happened on Friday? Certainly. But it wasn’t the whole story. And that’s what makes it hard for me to stomach.</p><blockquote>
        
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      <![CDATA[seandr, we may quibble over this and that on occasion but let me say you are commenting the hell out of your concerns here. Tenacious, tempered, thorough. Cheers.
        
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      <![CDATA[@57 good point.<br />
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Time to cancel software and business process patents (or allow them to expire in 5 years) and expire copyrights not issued to the living author (a natural person, not a fictional legal entity) or their heirs in the year of death, for a 14 year period plus one renewal.
        
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      <![CDATA[@delirian: <i>If all of the research material you need was produced after the year 2000 or so</i><br />
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Here I think you've hit upon a serious problem - the fact that the US government has, over the century, lengthened copyright expiration from 28 years to 70 years after the author's death. <br />
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Were it not for this fact, the entire body of scientific literature up to 1985 would, as it should, be public domain.
        
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      <![CDATA[@delirian: <i>You contradict yourself. One moment you are talking about how important the journals are to keeping out crackpot research and the next moment you say that the scientists don't need them. </i><br />
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I'm making two separate and, I think, non-contradictory points:<br />
1) At present, journals <i>are</i> the gatekeepers, and say what you want about pricing, they do a pretty good job at that role. The fact that an article appears in Science, Nature, Cell, or The American Journal of Homeopathic Medicine, for example, conveys quite a bit about the significance and quality of the work. If you simply tear that system down and say "Hey man, dig my research, it's free!" you have will have effectively killed science. <br />
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2) Scientists willingly, no make that eagerly, give away government funded research to those journals in exchange for the prestige, fame, and career advancement that comes with publishing in them. But there's nothing the journals can do to prevent scientists from renegotiating the terms of publishing, collectively if need be. Journals also can't stop scientists from developing other, competing publishing models that play gatekeeper and assume the costs of publishing (which costs money regardless of whether it involves printing).<br />
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<i>How generous of them! A couple of free copies of taxpayer funded research for the colleagues of the researcher.</i><br />
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100 or so free copies is more than enough to meet demand for 99% of published research articles. :-)<br />
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Also, the journals aren't selling you the research, they are selling a particular, copyrighted description of that research. Scientists are free to republish their results wherever they want, and sometimes do, although they'd have to change around wording to avoid copyright infringement. <br />
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I'm not saying that journals don't have problems. Maybe their profit margins are unjustifiably high. If that problem can't be fixed through collective negotiation from scientists and universities, it's not enough to simply steal all of their copyrighted articles and put them online. You need to come up with an alternative gatekeeper mechanism.
        
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      <![CDATA[@53:<blockquote>They can and they do. Any scientist is free to put unpublished manuscripts on the web. In fact, there are entire sites out there dedicated to this purpose. </blockquote>That would be awesome if all of the research material you need was produced after the year 2000 or so and the scientist was open about their research (which is not that common). Otherwise you shit out of luck and you are going to have to deal with a journal.<br />
<blockquote>They also bear publishing costs.</blockquote>They don't have to. Just use Google Scholar. Nobody needs a paper journal anymore and Google is more than happy to host research papers. And if not them, a thousand other universities would do it.<br />
<blockquote>They don't own the research, they own the journal, and scientists who submit their work to those journals do so willingly with the hope that their work reaches that journal's audience. If a scientist doesn't want to play that game, she publish her work in whatever way she sees fit.</blockquote>You contradict yourself. One moment you are talking about how important the journals are to keeping out crackpot research and the next moment you say that the scientists don't need them. Apparently they are happily choosing to have their research put under lock and key. Tell me, how does it look for getting tenure, jobs, or grants to say "I didn't publish it in a journal, but here is the website". Journals force every scientist to go through them as the gatekeeper of knowledge. And they use this to their advantage.<br />
<blockquote>even if a journal accepts a paper, they allow authors to hand out limited numbers of free copies of published research to people upon request</blockquote>How generous of them! A couple of free copies of taxpayer funded research for the colleagues of the researcher. That solves everything!<br />
<blockquote>Online journal access is free to anyone with even the remotest association with a university. My wife has some sort of unpaid, assistant, adjunct trainer position at UW, and even she has free access. As an alumnus, you can pay a modest fee for access to almost any journal on earth. And literally anyone can walk into Suzzallo and photocopy to their heart's content. </blockquote>That is so awesome. Except that even extremely large universities like UW can't afford every journal. Many journals have annual subscription prices ranging up to 6 figures. For small institutions or private researchers not associated with universities, the cost is prohibitive. This is why the Feds are claiming that Aaron Swartz downloaded millions of dollars worth in academic papers. For the journals who are holding ransom the papers that were paid for with taxpayer money, they are worth millions.
        
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      <![CDATA[If someone remains in possession of something the moment after an action occurs, that action was not theft.  While one can copy information, one cannot take it away from someone else.  Information cannot be stolen.<br />
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Aaron Swartz may have entered an unlocked room without explicit permission.  He may have downloaded publicly-funded information at a rate higher than that at which JSTOR expected those at MIT who JSTORE invited to download were expected to download it.  I am confident that the actions leading to this ridiculous prosecution by the United States government did not involve him stealing anything from anyone.
        
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      <![CDATA[@29: <i>The journals have brainwashed you. You have drank too much of their Kool Aid. </i><br />
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I haven't drank any Kool Aid, nor has any been offered to me. <br />
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<i>They don't pay for the research or the peer review.</i><br />
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They don't pay for research, never said they did. They do, however, pay editors who play an important role in managing the peer review - e.g., selecting peers, evaluating reviews, making calls as to whether a publication meets the quality bar<br />
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<i>The journals simply accept or reject papers.</i><br />
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They also bear publishing costs.<br />
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<i>And who needs that today? </i><br />
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In this day in age where people make preposterous, hurtful, and damaging claims based on horseshit science, we <i>all</i> need this. A carefully managed peer-review process has become an essential component of the scientific method. <br />
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<i>Almost all scientists wish that they could freely distribute their research.</i><br />
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They can and they do. Any scientist is free to put unpublished manuscripts on the web. In fact, there are entire sites out there dedicated to this purpose. <br />
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<i>The journals prevent this.</i><br />
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This this is ridiculously incorrect. The journals don't prevent this, nor can they. They don't own the research, they own the journal, and scientists who submit their work to those journals do so willingly with the hope that their work reaches that journal's audience. If a scientist doesn't want to play that game, she publish her work in whatever way she sees fit.<br />
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Moreover, even if a journal accepts a paper, they allow authors to hand out limited numbers of free copies of published research to people upon request - none of my requests have <i>ever been turned down</i> by the author. <br />
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In reality, the publishing industry puts no enforcement on small scale "piracy" of copyrighted material. You can download dozens of published manuscripts from my former adviser's web site right now, and 6 of my own publications from my web site, including one from Science. They've been up there for over a decade, and I've never heard a peep from any publisher about it. <br />
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<i>And with their enormous prices, they prevent the research from being disseminated to other scientists.</i><br />
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Online journal access is free to anyone with even the remotest association with a university. My wife has some sort of unpaid, assistant, adjunct trainer position at UW, and even she has free access. As an alumnus, you can pay a modest fee for access to almost any journal on earth. And literally <i>anyone</i> can walk into Suzzallo and photocopy to their heart's content. <br />
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<i>Journals are a plague to science. Groups like PLOS are the future.</i><br />
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PLOS maybe the future, but unless if can find an army of volunteers to manage the costs of publishing and do a good job with quality control, you'll either be paying them, or we'll have a truly "democratic" scientific method in which things like holocaust denials, claims that women's bodies can't be impregnated by rape, and studies showing that smoking actually cures cancer given equal billing and credence with actual science.
        
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      <![CDATA[After reading all the hand-wringer comments here, I've come to the conclusion that not a single one of you knows what you're talking about. <br />
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Yes, there are some nuances and Dominic presents a thumbnail sketch, but holy crap, are you guys filled w/ blind ignorance to what really happened. This is a big story all over the internet, so there is no excuse for you folks not having the tools to find the articles.
        
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      <![CDATA[@47: How many people involved in the financial crisis has Ortiz prosecuted? None? It must be hard to prosecute people who cause real damage to the country but have political connections (which may be needed in her future run for office). Might as well prosecute and deceitfully overcharge a young man who wants to free the information that every taxpayer has already paid for.
        
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      <![CDATA[See also:<br />
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<li>"Prosecutor as Bully" by Lawrence Lessig: <a href="http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/40347463044/prosecutor-as-bully" rel="nofollow">http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/4034746304&hellip;</a></li><br />
<li>"The Truth about Aaron Swartz’s `Crime'" by Alex Stamos, who was to appear as expert witness for the defense in Aaron's criminal trial: <a href="http://unhandled.com/2013/01/12/the-truth-about-aaron-swartzs-crime/" rel="nofollow">http://unhandled.com/2013/01/12/the-trut&hellip;</a><br />
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      <![CDATA[Meanwhile, Bill Gates roams free for pirating CP/M to make DOS.<br />
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... just saying.
        
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      <![CDATA[As an academic in a field where time from submission to acceptance of an article to a journal can be roughly a *year,* I'm just popping in here to say: I also agree that the journal model is destructive to science. Peer review can exist in much the same way as it currently does without Elsevier, Springer etc skimming billions off the top -- they don't pay for research, they don't pay the authors, they don't edit, they don't pay for peer review, they don't even really keep reviewers to a strict deadline. They print a dwindling number of physical copies of the journal, and operate websites that attempt to extort more money out of you, as a researcher, even though your institution pays for a subscription to the journals (they ask you for $40 for one article, which you should have free access to due to your institutional subscription, and then they tell you that this is a "technical error." Lying fucks.)<br />
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Even when these publishers have reluctantly allowed open-access to papers, they charge the AUTHORS of the articles on the order of $3,000. This means that authors at less prestigious universities/departments are forced to publish in closed-access journals.<br />
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Oh -- and many journals won't let you host drafts of your own papers on your website.<br />
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Academic publishers are parasites. Nobody - from the reviewers, to the authors, to the universities that pay subscriptions for them to keep them afloat - actually likes them. And increasingly, I think, the younger generation of researchers is finding that they are unnecessary evils, except for the purposes of getting a job, which requires publishing in the journals that they serve as gate-keepers for.<br />
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I look forward to them shrivelling up like leeches covered in salt.<br />
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(Note: JSTOR is not a publisher; it is an information repository.)
        
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      <![CDATA[Seems Carmen Ortiz had a real problem with white collar criminals and corruption. I understand why she wanted to make an example of this millionaire stealing documents - from her point of view, this was just another asshole thinking he could flout the system because of his money and connections, regardless of the legality of it.<br />
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Thanks Dom, for making me look into her more - I like this lady and what she stands for, as little respect I have for prosecutors in general. For you to say she is responsible for his suicide is utter, fallacious bullshit. Working with incarcerated populations, I can tell you that a great many of them are depressed and suicidal over what they consider to be their unjust punishment over minor offenses. But when it's a 19 year old black kid who hangs himself in his cell over a robbery conviction, no one, least of all the people in this thread, straight up give a fuck.
        
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