http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2013/01/11/what-the-nra-thought-of-yesterdays-meeting-at-the-white-house Comments On: What the NRA Thought of Yesterday's Meeting at the White House by Eli Sanders en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Tue, 21 May 2013 03:00:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Generally I do not read article on blogs, however I wish to say that this write-up very forced me to check out and do so! Your writing taste has been amazed me. Thanks, very great post.
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Posted by Victor1122]]> Sun, 05 May 2013 02:19:11 -0700 The Stranger
As for modifying them, there's no way to do that so they can't be un-modified by someone planning an attack. Best to just "bite the bullet" and buy them all up. There's a separate issue with several 9mm pistol magazines. As the entire magazine fits inside the grip, it would be easier to conceal an illegal magazine. But I'm pretty sure a couple of the manufacturers make limited-capacity mags that can't be modified to take more.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 21:08:22 -0800 The Stranger
You will never pass a law that involves confiscating all the (currently legal) magazines. So you're either going to have to buy them back or modify them. Buying them back is going to cost $10-20 a piece, modifying them about $2. And even if you do that, there will still be hundreds of thousands, if not more, in circulation.

You make it a mandatory 1 year jail sentence (no ifs, ands, buts) for possession you might collect more. But only if the law is actually enforced.

For example, there have been a few publicized 'stings' where police departments bought firearms from citizens even after telling the seller that they couldn't pass a background check (this is a felony, punishable by up to 10 years in prison!). The people that still sold them, got paid and not a single fucking thing happened to them! Can you imagine if a police department did a series of drug buys and then just let the sellers walk?
Posted by randoma]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 17:18:47 -0800 The Stranger
I know this conversation moved past my minor tangent (apologies to @7) but, if only to be polite, I want to conclude what I had started.

After thinking about the Rx angle a bit today, I think one good reason we aren't (yet) dragging drug companies into this conversation may be that we already have created the mechanisms for dealing with that part (if any) of the problem.

We have an FDA that can review meds and approve or ban them for uses. Of those meds which are approved, we have medical professionals tasked with evaluating whether the med is appropriate for each specific patient.

If we should look at our mass-killing incidents and then suspect that bad Rx is a part, we already have the tools with which we can take action. We can ratchet up the restrictions, at will. and very quickly. No new task force or commission necessary.

...er, something like that.

Posted by NotSean]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 15:49:49 -0800 The Stranger And judging by the coverage in The Stranger, there hasn't been any.
Yet there will be stories posted about shootings across the nation.

Who is shooting whom with what and why?
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 14:12:33 -0800 The Stranger
Nope, you need to collect them all, take them all out of private hands. Besides, you want to be able to tell at a glance if it's an illegal magazine, not have to start taking it apart. As a side benefit, you'd also be taking away something which is a mass-murder/war-situation fantasy-fetish object for some folk.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:42:45 -0800 The Stranger
My guess will be "not very far."
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:09:08 -0800 The Stranger
Adult: I think there are steps that America can take that will reduce gun violence.

5280, et al: OMG! YOU WANT TO CONFISCATE EVERY GUN IN THE COUNTRY! HOW DARE YOU!

Adult: Well, that's not really an issue here...

5280, et al: OF COURSE IT IS! IT'S THE 2ND AMENDMENT! WHY DO YOU HATE AMERICA! YOU'RE A LOUSY COMMIE LIBERAL AND WE DESERVE GUNS SO WE CAN SHOOT PEOPLE LIKE YOU!

Adult: We're trying to have an adult conversation on an important issue, and you seem to be committed to hijacking the conversation by bringing up straw man arguments, non sequitors, and generally displaying an extreme level of paranoia. Don't you see how that very approach is making reasonable people wary about your position?

Well, you know their response to *that*. More of the same: shouting, pouting, crazy conspiracy theory, paranoia, projection, false equivalency, ad nauseum. When your side is represented by extremists, by fanatics, doesn't that give you pause to your convictions?
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 13:00:41 -0800 The Stranger And judging by the coverage in The Stranger, there hasn't been any.
Yet there will be stories posted about shootings across the nation.

Who is shooting whom with what and why?
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 11:56:37 -0800 The Stranger really miss Gay Dude for Romney, huh?
Posted by Knat]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:39:00 -0800 The Stranger
Brilliant rhetoric. You're so going to win.

The hundreds of parents who rushed to their children's school in Taft, California yesterday thought they were sick with worry, but they just need you to tell them they're victims of this "grief porn".

Next time a parent gets a call their school is on lockdown, they might panic for a moment, but then they'll remember your reassuring words and they'll not for one second feel like they're in a living hell. They'll feel just fine.

You go with that. Oh, and the racial shit. That stuff works great. It's why Hillary Clinton defeated Obama. Er, it's why Romney defeated Obama. Er, well, that racial shit plays well regardless of, you know, facts. Keep playing that song.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:38:55 -0800 The Stranger Who was the last brown person shot in Seattle?
You don't know, do you?
Judging by the coverage in The Stranger, there hasn't been a single shooting in Seattle so far this year.

"Only silly sissies care about children being shot in school."

No.
But it takes a special kind of person to wallow in the grief porn of dead children he cannot name, has never met and could not pick out of a crowd.

"Thank God people like you are here to keep us focused on the real problem -- the existence of black people."

Who was the first brown person wounded or killed by a gun in Seattle in 2013?
If you don't know, why don't you know?
Why do you know more about the criminal in a shooting on the other side of the nation than you do about brown people being shot in this city?

Grief porn.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 10:24:28 -0800 The Stranger
Here is 5280's non-racist explanation for why we (whites*) need assault rifles. He says he is no more racist than Massad Ayoob, and nobody disputes that.

All I'm saying is that when people like 5280 censor themselves and tie one hand behind their backs, the discussion devolves into confusion. They're not telling us what they really think. In the rare moments when they come clean, like saying that Massad Ayoob's essay is an intelligent and reasonable argument, we achieve clarity.

Fifty-two-eighty has lots of ideas how to solve the race problem. He's said again and again it's not a gun problem and not a violence problem. It's a race problem. And he has the answers. He should share his wisdom.

* And Koreans too. i guess Koreans are OK.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:49:36 -0800 The Stranger
Your legal hobby feeds weapons to those street criminals and gang shooters. Not mine. And you have no answers for that crime except to deflect the blame. Just more and more and more guns and more and more and more violence.
Posted by Fnarf]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:30:38 -0800 The Stranger Simply stating the fact that gun violence is greater among blacks is not a sign of racism.

It IS a fact. That doesn't mean blacks are somehow more violent or aggressive... but it DOES mean we should find out what the cause is. Is it the community they typically grow up in? Different social/peer pressures? More access to cheap guns? I don't know what it is, but it's pretty obvious that something is going on.

Simply dismissing it and saying "that's racist!" would be a step backwards in figuring out solutions to these problems.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:26:48 -0800 The Stranger
The NRA is standing in the way of mandating safe storage of guns. And mandating training. Mandating anything. Even closing the gun show loophole.

It's easy for you to talk about "responsible gun owners" but when they are the very people who are helping the loons and the incompetents, it falls apart. The NRA is the criminal's best friend.

A responsible gun owner is one who tells the NRA to go to hell.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:20:20 -0800 The Stranger Now the only thing left to agree on is WHAT is it the solution to.

I've said it before and I'll keep saying it.
If the staff at The Stranger was really interested in this subject (more than just grief porn) then they would have a column on all the shootings (whether anyone was hit or not) that happen in Seattle.
Including as many details on those shootings as possible.
Who, specifically, is shooting what at whom and why.
Updated daily.

But that won't happen because real facts don't bring as many advertising hits as grief porn does.
And the real facts might just show that your grief porn assumptions are wrong.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:14:48 -0800 The Stranger
You've said the real problem is a race problem. That black and brown people are violent thugs. One solution you've proposed to that problem is that non-brown, non-blacks need high powered assault rifles to bring down these minorities when they charge whites in packs. As they do. Or when, like bull elephants, they don't drop with a single shot from a puny .38. That's why you need a 30 round magazine. Because they're not like us.

Am I mischaracterizing your position? If not, please elaborate on your solution to the gun, er I mean violence, er I mean race problem. Not guns. Not violence. Race. Is that right?

It's easy for you to piss and moan, but it takes guts to stand up and tell us what's to be done.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:12:20 -0800 The Stranger We will not allow law-abiding gun owners to be blamed for the acts of criminals and madmen.I thought this was a good response from the NRA.

Responsible people who like to smoke pot don't want to be lumped in with criminals who smoke pot and then commit crimes. If a bunch of pot smoking criminals went out and massacred people and the community decided pot was the cause and the problem, I guarantee you that responsible pot smokers would throw a fit.

There are responsible gun owners and irresponsible gun owners. Stop lumping them all together as a single group.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:05:56 -0800 The Stranger
No. Here.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 09:00:40 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:47:54 -0800 The Stranger
please name the slog poster who seriously wants to ban all guns in america, and thinks its even possible.
Posted by Max Solomon]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:39:45 -0800 The Stranger Posted by GermanSausage]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:30:13 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Fri, 11 Jan 2013 08:11:28 -0800 The Stranger