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      <![CDATA[As for WSOWS, there have been some great responses:<br />
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@12 @38 (slinky) pointed out very well that penetration can be a very emotional boundary and that being under the influence is a fast track to poor decisions.<br />
As as shy person, drinking a bit (not too much) helps me be more social and assertive with women. However, it is a slipery slope to poor decision making.<br />
For a guy, loosing the "anal virginity" is probably emotionaly much closer to a girl loosing her virginity. To have this happen with a sex worker is traumatically for sure.<br />
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@57 also distinguishes quite well the difference between being gay and liking anal penetration and being fucked.<br />
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I totally can relate to this. I'm not a dominant male and I like when girls are on top (pun intended).<br />
I haven't tried pegging but is definitely something I want to try. First I need to get a girlfriend but that is difficult due to my shyness. I only tried masturbating with a finger in my ass and it feels great.<br />
As for the trans-porn, I also find it very hot but I had a similar reaction for WSOWS when I discovered trans-porn and that I got really aroused with it.<br />
In the end, the most exciting thing is the power dynamics and that only makes me a kinky straight guy.
        
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      <![CDATA[p.s. I'm still working on my stand-up routine. More later.
        
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      <![CDATA[Okay---for anyone interested, my high protein, high fat (within reason), no carbs / gluten and sugar-free diet is working wonders!! In addition, I am taking iron, B12 & Vitamin D supplements and thyroid medication along with my nightly blood pressure pill. Amazing!!! I think I might even be getting my sex drive back after all these years! YOWZA!!<br />
<br />
WHY, however, did the VA LIE to me about nutrition over 19 years after I left the U.S. Navy?  Processed foods, bread, pasta, rice, and potatoes were all killing me! At least I know now, and am doing something about it.<br />
I don't know if I've actually lost any weight, but I certainly have lost inches that count--particularly around my former Buddha belly over the past two and a half weeks! One day, I can have dark chocolate again.<br />
Best news of all: I recently dined out---and got carded---at age 48!<br />
Our server got a good tip--it was a Kodak moment when she looked at my driver's license.<br />
And I found my favorite Brad Pitt flick this weekend, too!!
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah, the common term (among poly and non-poly people who I've encountered) is "triad" -- I've only heard "throuple" (which makes me want to throw up a little -- it sounds like a bit of vomit in the mouth) from cutesy straight female writers who think they're being daring in discussing *OMG CONSENSUAL NONMONOGAMY" in a breathless tone like it's just been invented.<br />
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(I am a bi woman who is part of an FFM triad, fwiw.)<br />
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However, I'm not a gay man -- is this common parlance in your circles, Dan? I'm fairly active in the in-person and online poly circles, and "triad" and occasionally "trio/threesome" are the terms I see in use.  "V/Vee" would be a 3-person relationship where one person is involved with 2 others, but they aren't involved with each other.<br />
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I use "triad" and think a threesome is something you DO, not something you ARE (it's 3 people fucking, but not necessarily 3 people dating -- and plenty of triads aren't into threesome sex.) With that said, if that's the term that someone else is happy/comfortable with, more power to 'em.<br />
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Gay male poly people -- is "triad" or "throuple" the term you use most?
        
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      <![CDATA["Stop acting so crazy!" <br />
Nice reference to Jimi Hendrix lyrics "Fire", released Sept. '69.<br />
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The kids, indeed.
        
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      <![CDATA[Sydney Australia has a ultra conservative, anti-equality, looking the other way history with sex offenders in the church Cardinal: Cardinal George Pell.  I'd love to get 'Cardinal George into common usage here.  <br>
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      <![CDATA[One experience don't make you gay.  <br>
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Any straight dude in this experience would've done the same, and questioned it.  <br>
I don't think he thinks he's gay, he just thinks what he did was gay.  <br>
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If you're straight and you end up on drugs and booze, (I've been high on coke and whiskey and done some strange things), you'll<br>
Without a doubt question yourself.  It's fucking normal.  Not all men are going to be cool and open-minded enough to look back and say "yo, I took a dick in my ass! Awesome.". It's just not the way out society works.  And on top<br>
Of that many trans sex workers state that the men who visit the<br>
 Are usually straight men lookin for something new.   All the people saying otherwise are gay men who have a lot of self-hatred issues.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think WSOWS just realized that in te end, the fantasies of being dominated weren't what he wanted realistically.  Your life is a story, and when you make bad decisions you taint it.  That's what I think happened here.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think I'm going red meat crazy due to my new no-carb, gluten-free, no sugar diet. I can eat all the red meat, cheese, eggs, and dairy products (except whipped cream and ice cream, of course) and veggies (except carrots and potatoes) I want. No bread, pasta, or rice--largely because it's all processed. No fruit, either, because of fructose. Sadly, I have discovered that I have Type II Diabetes. The good news is that I'm 48, not 78, and can reverse my high blood sugar situation (I'm a walking industrial-sized can of Hershey's syrup right now). Hopefully one day I can enjoy chocolate again without threatening to accidentally kill myself.<br />
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WHERRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRE'S the BEEF???<br />
@143: Okay. I'll buy that.<br />
@144: I do have to admit, I like the fingernail polish. The red meat penis is quite the hypnotic distraction for me.
        
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      <![CDATA[@142/143 The fingernail polish on the model's hand is a nice touch.
        
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      <![CDATA[@grizelda:<br />
The ad is for people like me who find it strangely sexy....<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[Okay. it must be the steak and red wine of a new diet for 2013 talking, in addition to my staggering off topic once again, but what IS it about the<br />
red meat penis in the Smitten Kitten ad?<br />
Is  it SUPPOSED to be hypnotic (to sell red meat penises)?<br />
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I'm getting enough red meat at home, however carnivorous!
        
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      <![CDATA[@138 thanks :-)
        
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      <![CDATA[I've been in a triple for the past 15 years. Add me to the list of people who have never heard the term "throuple"  (which gets a mere 5000 hits on google, ore evidence that it's not the usual term).<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[@16 I'm giggling over here. Now, I'm seeing them, too!
        
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      <![CDATA[It didn't strike me as sanctimony. That's a sound approach.
        
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      <![CDATA[Maybe 70% of gay men are bottoms, and enjoying it has to do with how it feels, one doesn't even have to be attracted to the guy fucking you. As for straight men, they have all the same nerve endings down there, and I've heard there are some straight bottoms out there who are not particularly attracted to men, but like how it feels. Among Latinos, if you are a bottom that makes you gay -- while you can top a guy and still consider yourself straight. In a way, that is ridiculous. In order to top a guy you have to be attracted enough to be able to "get it up." But the way guys are, they will adhere to any convention that allows them to have the kind of sex they want while preserving their sense of masculinity. As far as I'm concerned -- let them.
        
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      <![CDATA[PS, thanks, vennominon, for demonstrating that it is possible for us old people to change our minds. I learn something new every day :-)
        
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      <![CDATA[vennominon@134: Personally, I don't find the debate about "X is objectifying" to be helpful. I believe we objectify other people all the time, even our colleagues and friends and lovers, and so I don't think it's a good way to decide whether one is behaving badly or not.<br />
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I'd rather focus on whether we are being useful and kind. Hiring a sex worker is useful to the sex worker, obviously. We have no reason to think WSOWS was unkind during the evening, so I give him the benefit of the doubt there.<br />
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But when people in the trans or genderqueer community complain that others only see them as freaks who are unsuitable for real relationships, I don't argue with them. I try to listen and learn.  (Apologies for the sanctimony.)
        
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      <![CDATA[One thing about which I have changed my mind is that, on a reread, I shall agree with the objection to "Wanting to be with a woman who has a dick is an almost exclusively straight male kink/obsession/wild side." I took it at first in context with the rest of the paragraph and am prepared to accept the evidence of the mailbag, but at best it's ugly phrasing.<br />
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I was hoping that Ms Erica, who seems perhaps the most just judge in this area, would opine on the "objectification vs nice date" idea that originated in #106, as I really don't know what to make of that.
        
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      <![CDATA[Dan, did you just want to make TRIOS embarrass himself in public by using the word "throuple" instead of "triad"? The linguistic equivalent of giving someone Kalteen bars to lose weight, eh?
        
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      <![CDATA[I cop to not having read all previous comments, so please forgive me if someone has said this before, but if a two-person relationship grouping is called a "couple," should not a three-person one be called a "few?"
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm sorry. I don't believe being straight is "better", but I do believe it's a helluva lot easier.
        
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      <![CDATA[@127, in other words: if you want to change my mind about whether old people like us can change their minds, then change your mind about whether it's appropriate to be snarky to transpeople and the genderqueer.
        
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      <![CDATA[@127, if you want another fight, seandr... Your post @123 is what made me think of the saying. You think you're on the side of the angels, and all you can do is be mean to Maybe-bigendered @121. Criminey. Maybe-bigendered was criticizing Dan; ya think maybe Dan's a big boy who knows how to take criticism and turn it into publicity? Maybe you could try to post with a little more compassion and less snark for people who are clearly facing a harder slog in life than most of us do?
        
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