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      <![CDATA[@40: Right. Because only white people ride light rail.
        
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      <![CDATA[Speaking of the Mercer Mess, all is wine and roses down there now, right, thanks to the streets that Paul and Bill built?  Or rather, that we built for them...
        
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      <![CDATA[I think @38 means the Magnolia crowd and the Mercer Mess habitue's.
        
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      <![CDATA[#39, you'll see in the next few years, as light rail and Paul Allen's streetcars compete for money with the buses. The rail yuppies will win, and the buses will lose. If you doubt me, check out what's happening in Portland.
        
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      <![CDATA[@38: You obviously haven't been on a bus in Seattle. There are plenty of yuppies aboard. This ain't Memphis.
        
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      <![CDATA[We can't have buses, because everyone knows that the white yuppies and wannabes who comprise the local "progressives" are too good to ride on rubber tires with the brown people who deserve to be there.
        
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      <![CDATA[Seattle clearly never believed it was a real 20th Century city that was going to accomodate high volumes of auto traffic.  Both other cities I've lived in (Denver and San Francisco) have paired one-way streets througout the city that allow synching the lights and letting lots of cars and busses move steadily at about 25 MPH for a long way.  This did not require wireless computers to accomplish, but just the will to ram through real arterials in pairs separated by one block.  <br />
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Seattle, in contrast, has wonders like 85th Ave NW, where you can be sure of stopping for a minute at a red light every 1 to 3 blocks, while the same thing is happening in parallel on 80th.  Brilliant.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah. "Bus Rapid Transit", especially in this case, really means "we're not going to spend squat on infrastructure to actually fix a problem because it's a problem we don't give a damn about". <br />
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You can file claims like that made by politicians under "we have goal X with a deadline 20 years after my term limit". The correct response is "Bullshit!"
        
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      <![CDATA[@10<br />
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"I could see BRT being useful along highways and freeways, especially if/when there's a dedicated lane for part of the trip"<br />
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That pretty much describes Sound Transit Express buses cruising in the carpool lane.
        
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      <![CDATA[Wait until they add the backup while people divert away from the SR-99 Tunnel Of Tolled Doom and gridlock everything near that.<br />
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You thought it was bad now ...<br />
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Time to start planning for actual Seattle citizens and not millionaires and billionaires who don't live here. Prioritize for Us, not Them.<br />
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Let Them ride bicycles.
        
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      <![CDATA[Rapid ride to me is another part of the Seattle Process, which is to find a compromise that no one likes, do it on the cheap and then finally do things ALMOST the right way, at twice the price it would have cost if we had done it right in the first place.  We are currently at the "compromise that no one likes, do it on the cheap" part of the process on the Ballard and  West Seattle Rapid Ride.
        
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      <![CDATA[@28,<br />
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There's also no longer a bus that goes directly from Ballard to Sodo, which is one reason why my boyfriend's commute is now twice as long.  What bothers me about that is that it's always been a pain in the ass to get to Sodo from anywhere (by bus), not just Ballard, and Metro cut a few lines that actually made it manageable.
        
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      <![CDATA[@11: Yes.  <br />
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In general, people like to shave off or play up the beginning and end times from their trips as convenient--the fact that it takes fifteen minutes to get to the freeway from one's home isn't mentioned unless need be.  Bus riders know that being able to time when the bus actually arrives can add fifteen minutes a trip if you get it wrong, which is why One Ride Away, while not perfect, is still a godsend over squinting at the schedule which may or may not be correct and may or may not be still intact at the bus stop and hoping for the best.  If the only thing that the D line brought was regular ten minute departures, it would be a win.<br />
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Unfortunately, they haven't quite gotten there yet, but with some tweaking and/or a few more busses, I'm sure it can be done.
        
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      <![CDATA[@24 actually, there are bad projects in any mode.  sounder north wasted one billion dollars in capital ; slow trolleys in the street not even faster than a bus; we fritter away tons on lots of bad things.  we spent  $75 million on rapid ride to ballard and it's no faster than a bus.  <br>
the biggest mistake was the city not stepping up to help the monorail finances in 2005 -- after the bad $11B finance plan there was a new finance plan at about $5-6 billion and had the city just put in say $250 million capital up front the entire financial profile would have been normalized.  making an X with light rail, thus a SYSTEM.<br>
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see, what other cities do is not fritter away at bits and pieces of this and that; they plan, then build, a system, defined as multiline grade separated hi capacity (meaning in the street trains downtown not allowed -- too slow and too short trains) with longish trains; the lines meet in downtown at a hub or web; they reach out to all important areas.<br>
We're building basically about 1.3 lines not 6 to 10  like we need.  Until we do, traffic will suck, and you won't be able to get across town on transit FAST, the way you can in about 200 other cities that have stopped debating and started building and completed multiline g.s. train systems.<br>
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      <![CDATA[@27: Tell that to the 4.5-minute light at Elliott and Mercer Place.
        
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      <![CDATA[In the triage of Metro's many self-inflicted wounds of RapidRide implementation, not enough attention has been paid to the <b>massive service cuts</b> that Ballard received in the crucial end-of-evening period.<br />
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Between 11:00 pm and 1:00 am, we lost literally <b>half of the service</b> that we had before the change. And the service that remains misses the actual population and two-way demand center of central Ballard by half a mile.<br />
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Post-11:00 is not "spoiled drinking hipsters demanding a ride" hours, but "punish you for going to a movie or taking advantage of your own city" hours.<br />
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It is profoundly pathetic and has firmly convinced me that our transit provider doesn't give a shit about those who live car-free, or frankly about anyone without a corporate-subsidized pass that gets used only at rush hour.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[buses should be faster since they don't have to stop at red lights.
        
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      <![CDATA[What @24 said.
        
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      <![CDATA[@9 - I just wish sometimes that there were a faster way to do things than finding each and every wrong way before we go into discussions about which wrong way we'll try next.
        
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      <![CDATA[Hooray for single mode agitators who basically ensure a completely incomplete system that fritters away years on whatever single mode gets the most support at any given time while trying to destroy other modes through outright animosity or casual indifference.<br />
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Rail is terrible! WE NEED BUSES!<br />
Streetcars are terrible! WE NEED A SUBWAY!<br />
Subways are terrible! WE NEED LIGHT RAIL!<br />
Light rail is terrible! WE NEED A MONORAIL!<br />
Buses are terrible! WE NEED HOV LANES!<br />
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No, we need ALL of these things and we need to be prepared to work on any given mode when the money and political will present themselves while not trying to smash the toes of supporters of other modes.
        
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Bingo! Finally. Somebody mentioned podcars. What did I win?
        
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      <![CDATA[In Boston we have the "Silver Line" buses that have a dedicated lane along part of their route. Other motorists just drive in their lane anyway. <br />
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<a href="http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-98-percent-of-us-commuters-favor-public-tra,1434/" rel="nofollow">http://www.theonion.com/articles/report-&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[Until the residents of Ballard step up and DEMAND from the Ballard Chamber of Commerce that they discontinue obstructing the Burke Gilman Trail missing link, I have zero sympathy for their commuting woes.
        
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      <![CDATA[for the cost of (inflexible 1800s technology) rail, it seems more cost effective in the long run to invest in <br />
1) centralizing the traffic grid (ie, timing traffic lights, etc) using wireless<br />
2) invest in developing autonomous electric cars that interface with the traffic grid, and can optimize paths to pick up and drop off multiple people and multiple destinations.  <br />
Then, as people and businesses move around, the public transportation system can move with them.  then people are less constrained by the infrastructure.  <br />
Of course, getting anyone in Seattle to agree to THAT in less than 20 yrs would be a miracle.<br />
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Karlheinz Arschbomber]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[RapidRide in Ballard is pathetic.   It has put me back in my car.  <br />
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Retracing how Metro/Sound Transit cut service, changed the bus-paint, and put me back in my car when I lived in Bellevue.<br />
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The pattern is clear.
        
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