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      <![CDATA[@28, I'm sure you can figure out why Obama isn't cutting taxes for those making under $250,000.  1) Because he's not a dictator; he's one-third of the government; 2) Because no one's cutting taxes for anyone; they are just not reinstating them to what they were before Bush cut them for high earners. <br />
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Tophoos, you may not be rich but at $50K you're not "lower income".
        
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      <![CDATA[@27 lots of people do.<br />
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Here's a free one: If you're young, you should max out your 401(k) or 403(b) and contribute to a Roth IRA or IRA.  You can burn the IRA for educational expenses, and rollover old 401(k) or 403(b) into a Rollover IRA and then use it for educational expenses. Live in an area where people make less than you do and own not lease cars (exception: electric cars).
        
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      <![CDATA[Once again this is a situation, like many in the last few years, where I can either lose big or break even.<br />
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So, this is the way you manipulate people...you make them think that they've ended up with a "tax cut" when in fact you've simply left taxes as is.<br />
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Lost in this debate is any other opinion or nuance.   For example, why isn't Barack Obama cutting taxes for people making less than $250,000?   <br />
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I propose that the first 250K for everyone be completely exempt from taxation, along with the first $1 million in assets.   Anything beyond that is open season.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@20 & 21 (in reference to @6): Actually that's close but not quite right:<br />
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That extra 3.8% on Cap gains tophoos mentioned was a part of the Affordable Care Act and is only assessed on capital gains in excess of half a million dollars ($500,000) for those people with an adjusted gross income higher than $250,000/yr.<br />
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And, as @22 said, we're over the cliff now anywho:<br />
<a href="http://www.c-span.org/Events/House-Not-Voting-Today-on-Avoiding-Fiscal-Cliff/10737436933/" rel="nofollow">C-SPAN: No Vote in House Today</a><br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@22 I'm breaking out the champagne tonight!
        
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      <![CDATA[So, if @21 is correct, this is still, historically, a capital gains maximum tax rate HALF what we have had for most of this country's existence of such taxes.  40 percent would be a prudent maximum, with 50 percent capital gains on "carried interest" which is used to fluctuate the market and add noise.<br />
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That is, if you're a Capitalist and not a neo-Komrade like Boehner is.
        
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      <![CDATA[and... no vote today in Boehner's congress. everyone panic!
        
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      <![CDATA[@20 After reading articles about 23.8% for high income, what I'm interpreting from that statement is: <br />
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People making HIGHER than 400k will be taxed at 39.6%. (PERIOD) Next statement: Capital gains and dividends will be taxed at 20% witht he same income thresholds (applies to anyone making less than that 400k, and if you make more than 400k, you will be taxed at 23.8%)
        
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      <![CDATA[@top - The capital gains hike being discussed will have the same income thresholds as the top marginal income rate hike. In other words, you're safe unless you hit $400k or whatever they settle on. Details matter. Next outrage?<br />
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From Ezra Klein: "Here are the details, as multiple sources close to the talks have described them to me: The top tax rate rises to 39.6 percent for individuals making more than $400,000 and families making more than $450,000. Capital gains and dividends will be taxed at 20 percent <b>with the same income thresholds</b>. ..."
        
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      <![CDATA[<b>Obama Readies Gift for GOP</b><br />
<i>Anyone looking at these negotiations, especially given Obama’s previous behavior, can’t help but reach one main conclusion: whenever the president says that there’s an issue on which he absolutely, positively won’t give ground, you can count on him, you know, giving way — and soon, too. The idea that you should only make promises and threats you intend to make good on doesn’t seem to be one that this particular president can grasp.</i><br />
<a href="http://www.commondreams.org/headline/2012/12/31-3" rel="nofollow">http://www.commondreams.org/headline/201&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@3: unofficially, they never did. officially is what i'm askin'
        
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      <![CDATA[@15 /16 I work as an auditor with an accounting degree aware of IRAs. But this is money for me to make a deposit on a house in the near future. Dumping it in any retirement plan isn't really an option.
        
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      <![CDATA[@15 I think [top] is saying s/he's not rich.  Selling today and buying tomorrow locks in the gain at today's 15%.  Though you're totally right about the IRA benefits.
        
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      <![CDATA[@13 and you would be wrong. You could still hold them and until you sell them, there is no capital gains tax to pay.<br />
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Why do you have them in a taxable account anyway? Set up a Roth IRA with a decent (e.g. TD or some canadian regulated firm) stock brokerage account and "deposit" a portion in each year.  Seriously, hire a good lawyer and good accountant if you have substantial wealth.
        
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      <![CDATA[I wonder if anyone's ever found that 2.3 trillion dollars that went "missing" from the Pentagon yet?
        
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      <![CDATA[@10 I'm in no way rich at 50k annual. But I have been holding AAPL from 160 and LVS from 14. I know I should have left long ago. I want to keep holding them, but if capital gains increase, it would be better to let it go and buy it back later. I'm wondering if it is increasing to 20% or not for the lower income folks.
        
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      <![CDATA[oh, I should point out I meant muni bonds. distressed corporate bonds can get semi-decent returns, but stocks still rule.
        
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Way out in the water<br />
See it swimmin'...
        
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      <![CDATA[@1 and @3 tied for the New Years Win!<br />
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Also, note that the normal capital gains tax rate is 40 percent, it has been kept artificially low for the last decade.<br />
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@6 talk about moronic. With earnings in the 22 percent range (at least that's what I get, if you count dividends and cap gains), stocks are way better than bonds (which in our state give you NO TAX GAIN since a person pays no state income tax) and much much better than current 0.25 to 0.75 percent interest on deposits. Stop pretending you know what you're doing and hire a real accountant and real lawyer, if you actually (doubt it) are rich.
        
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      <![CDATA[@2 Thanks for the long quote and link. Interesting stuff...
        
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      <![CDATA[@5 If Obama agrees to the chained CPI in return for all that I'll be a happy man.
        
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      <![CDATA[making $300K thank god I won't have to pay the extra what, $1500?  (3.5 points times $50K excess over $250K).<br>
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Wow, if I had to pay that extra $1500 not only would it mean one week less of hotel type vacation -- just four weeks, not five, usually in Oahu in February -- of course I would feel so unoved I would immediately fire my employees.  This is how we job creators think, we'd rather not have employees, and have no profit, than have to pay what we paid under Clinton!<br>
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      <![CDATA[I'm reading that the capital gains rate will increase to 20% or 23.8%. Is that only for the "high income earners" and will remain at 15% for the "middle class"? Or is it to rise to 20% and will be 23.8% for the top earners?<br>
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I'm debating wether or not to drop all my stocks and take my gains with 15% rate.
        
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