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      <![CDATA[Thanks #29. I like that song. Did you notice that it consisted of video and audio delivered by the Internet? Wow, do you think a lecture could be delivered the same way? And maybe the textbooks too?<br />
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      <![CDATA[Re: 27, 28: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFrCoe7ATXw" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OFrCoe7AT&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh, and by the way, spare us the "progressive" platitudes about the lower class. If you lying hypocrites ever cared about the lower class, you wouldn't be subsidizing bus commuters with an average income of $60,000 a year, and you sure as hell wouldn't be on your knees sucking Chris Hansen's dick to the tune of $350 million for him and the bondholders for the new basketball arena.<br />
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      <![CDATA[This will soon be solved through the obvious means that "progressives" can't seem to fathom: online education. If you're a professor cranking out the same lectures that are being cranked out everywhere else, you'd better save your pennies because you are going the way of the steelworker.
        
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      <![CDATA[I was watching the Kennedy Honors mid-week and as always was very proud for a few short moments of the magnificent accomplishments we humans are capable of. And then I wondered how this kind of majesty can continue in this country with the state our schools are in: the absence now of art and music and dance. I'd be willing to listen to the argument that given a choice what our schools need is not an emphasis on art but an emphasis on math and science and engineering - but we aren't even doing that. In the big cities, teachers spend as much time trying to keep students from killing each other as they do trying to teach high school sophomores how to read or teaching to pass the proficiency exam.<br />
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      <![CDATA[Now that's a "duuuuhh" question!<br />
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Please see my comments in the comment section under "Today's News" ---<br />
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(<strong>The Sinister State of the American Economy</strong>)
        
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      <![CDATA[Isn't there a nationwide shortage of STEM graduates?  How will this help?
        
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      <![CDATA[@9 I'm with you all the way on this one.  I've got a LibArts degree, which is all about "learning to learn", not reciting Keats or writing haiku.  Working in the software industry, the vast majority of programmer types I encounter are stunted in the humanities - they cannot converse with someone who doesn't work in the same field as they do and therefore knows all the buzzwords and acronyms.  It can be really painful at times to watch them try to explain or learn something without intellectual shortcuts.<br />
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I know the most important class I took in college was Physics, as it helped me see the natural relationships in life.  Perhaps the STEM folks need to take a meta-physics class or two to help them see the humanity in science.<br />
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Differential tuition will sharply cut interdisciplinary studies, which will lead to more social workers that can't figure out why their Xmas tree keeps falling over, and more engineers who only associate Bethlehem with steel.
        
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      <![CDATA[What you choose to study is a form of freedom of speech. Colleges can charge for tuition, of course, but if they are going to charge different rates for different majors then state-supported colleges (as opposed to private schools) must pass the most stringent form of scrutiny in order to justify the higher rates. Otherwise, this would amount to a form of unconstitutional viewpoint discrimination. Calling the ACLU...
        
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      <![CDATA[As long as the low-income students are from some minority classification other than Asian the STEM schools will throw tons of money at them to get them in the program.  Diversity is a golden ticket in STEM.
        
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      <![CDATA[Fuck this. We only have one decent engineering school north of Berkeley, and we're going to make it harder for those students? WA already has to import STEM talent to a staggering degree to support the B, M$, and Amazon. And finally, engineering courses aren't any more expensive than liberal arts courses- labs are built from grant money.
        
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      <![CDATA[...and @17 gives the other reason why I opted out of grad school. A couple of solid post-docs are essential in the biomedical arena (you haven't got a prayer of getting a decent faculty job without them), and the low stipends/post-doc salaries meant 7-8 years before I would again approach what I was already getting in industry.<br />
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      <![CDATA[Man, I just assumed from "charge more for certain degrees" they meant more for philosophy degrees and other things the job market and public at large have no interest in, and less for, say, nursing or whatever the state is feeling a shortage of. Charging based on ability to pay is already done; why add a variable if it's not even going to help control the supply of usefully trained people?
        
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      <![CDATA[STEM major here, in the biomedical research area. Most of the profs in my field are paid by NIH grants, and those NIH grants to universities often include a 10%-50% (depending on the university) kickback to the university- ostensibly for building maintenance, departmental admins, recruiting, keeping the lights on and the freezers running, etc. My undergraduate neuroscience program at the UW had high tech equipement, but my UW undergraduate microbiology program was pretty low tech. The only expensive equipment I remember in labs were our microscopes, and those were pretty standard microscopes. Our classes are usually gigantic (50-500/lecture), they use the same projectors and computers that everybody else does, we don't pay for adjunct faculty to teach, and most of us don't make that much money after we graduate. We go to Ph.D programs for 5-6 years and live on a stipend of $26,000, then we get post-docs for $36,000, then we get assistant professorships for however much- not usually over $70,000, and eventually we'll top out in the $90,000-$180,000 if we're very, VERY lucky, and almost all of that is paid by NIH grants. I don't think we're as big a drain on the university's finances as people think we are. Administration staff and luxury construction, on the other hand...<br />
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Also, won't higher tuition for STEM fields discourage low-income students from pursuing these degrees? That's bad. I'm all for retroactive tuition based on how much you make at the job you get after school.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 9 gee thanks!<br />
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I have a stem degree and, while I do pretty well, I consistently guide  communications and business majors who make more than me.  I just don't see any evidence that people who have soft degrees make more moral decisions than I do.
        
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      <![CDATA[Schools just need to start cutting unnecessary spending.  My tuition went of $5k from last year to this year, meanwhile the HUB got a major overhaul and they are building new dorms all over the place and remodeling several other buildings on campus.  The school keeps seeking permission from the state to raise tuition by more than the maximum amount per year because of the dire state of their budget, yet continue to spend money on bullshit vanity projects.
        
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      <![CDATA[@Supreme Ruler of the Universe, the Economic Opportunity Institute has outlined how income-based repayment could work here in Washington. Under the "Pay It plan, students pay no upfront tuition fees to attend college. Instead, they pay a small percentage of their adjusted gross income (AGI) for a number of years after college: 0.75% per year of community college, or 1% per year of university, for 25 years. Payments are placed in a trust fund that covers the cost for future students to receive the same opportunity to attend college with no tuition fees – hence, “Pay It Forward”.<br />
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This system has several advantages: First, it entirely removes up-front tuition barriers to attending college. Second, after the transition to Pay It Forward is complete, the system is not only entirely self-financing – it also supports successive net increases in college enrollment, making higher education both more affordable and accessible for succeeding generations of students. Third, by linking payments to students’ ability to pay, Pay It Forward allows graduates to chose work based on their interests and skills, rather than solely on financial conditions. And finally, students retain access to federal financial aid to cover their cost of living, books, etc. <br />
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More here, including a full report: <a href="http://washingtonpolicywatch.org/2012/10/26/restoring-the-american-dream-by-refinancing-higher-education-pay-it-forward/" rel="nofollow">http://washingtonpolicywatch.org/2012/10&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[<br />
Why not take it all the way then...and make tuition based on actual post-degree income?   Those that get the most result from their degree, pay the most.  Those that ended up with loans and no job.  Don't.   <br>
        
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      <![CDATA[@5/11, I agree as far as labor expense is concerned, but instructional facilities/laboratories for STEM disciplines are hugely expensive to build and operate. On the other hand, they're magnets for major corporate and private donations, and often have huge P.R. value for their institutions.<br />
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@11, STEM-field graduate education can be brutally competitive, dehumanizing, and exhausting, too. Long gone are the days when my dad's major professors took a personal interest in their students and often had them over for dinner. The system selects for almost 100% assholes at the top; it's why I largely opted out of grad school except for selected classes.
        
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      <![CDATA[@5 is right. Plus, only the TE folk make any money. Scientists and mathematicians have trouble making money in our fields. When you factor in the 6 years of 25K graduate work, there is already financial disincentive to pursue science and mathematics.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Goldy]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[@9 I'm the office of Jew this week. But thanks for your concern.
        
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      <![CDATA[What occurs to me is, what about STEM majors who get zero education in philosophy, history, literature, etc? Will they hesitate to develop a new nerve gas delivery system or just see it as another sweet technical challenge?<br />
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And jeez Goldy, it's the holidays, take a break.
        
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