Comments On: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions by Cienna Madrid http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/28/the-quiet-rise-in-diy-abortions Comments On: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions by Cienna Madrid en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Sun, 19 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Sun, 19 May 2013 04:15:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
You only know one woman who has had an abortion?

Do you live in a convent?

France reports a quarter of a million abortions a year.
Compared to 800,000 births.

The CDC reports 800,000 abortions in the US, compared to 3.9 million births.

That gives France a higher abortion rate relative to live births.

And 250,000 abortions spread over a population of 65 million gives a much higher per capita abortion rate than 800,000 in a population of 310 million.

So there's that.....

Posted by comme des agneaux à l'abattoir]]> Mon, 31 Dec 2012 07:16:23 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
By "money-hungry" of course, you refer to the 47% of US households that pay ZERO Federal Income taxes but clamor for someone else to pay for their abortions and health care?

And ignore the pleas of the Middle Class that they can pay no more?

Those are the money hungry grubbers you refer to, Oui?
Posted by Gimme Gimme Gimme.....]]> Mon, 31 Dec 2012 06:47:20 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
And for decades now the right wing has been complaining that it's "too costly". It may be a very good heathcare system, but it's also under attack. Money-hungry people are the same the world over ; they *don't care* for others.

Oh, and the effect of procreation education in highschool ? Teen girls are very seldom pregnant here.

And of all the women that I've come to know in my 20 years of adulthood, only one had an abortion, at 6-8 weeks. All legal, medically supervised, and she paid nothing, of course, neither sonograms nor pills. I think it took about 15 days from start to post-abortion checkup.
Posted by sissoucat]]> Mon, 31 Dec 2012 04:23:42 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
'accidentally' knocked up?

hmmm.....

slutty AND dumb; care to share her phone number?
Posted by TRex]]> Sun, 30 Dec 2012 22:59:17 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Posted by Ms. D]]> Sun, 30 Dec 2012 13:40:21 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
thank you for your comment.

we admire your honesty, and, as always, pity your ignorance.
Posted by perhaps your 'girlfriend' can open that jar for you...]]> Sun, 30 Dec 2012 06:10:23 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
What the everloving fuck?? BETTER SEX EDUCATION. NOW.
Posted by Sea Otter]]> Sun, 30 Dec 2012 01:07:59 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Posted by Sandiai]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 22:28:17 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Posted by PCM]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 17:20:52 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
It's hard to nail down the maximum possible copay because of all the possible variables, but it seems to be around $75 for a drug-induced abortion in a doctor's office. Around 85% of French people have private, non-profit medigap policies that pick up most of their copays; for those that don't and can't come up with the copay, the provider can apply for county medical aid. In short, it's pretty unlikely that an abortion would be denied in France because of inability to pay.

It's not a perfect system, by any means, but it's routinely considered one of the best systems in the world and is definitely a lot better than what ours has been (and will be under Obamacare).
Posted by PCM]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:43:53 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Alleged's posts at #30 and #31, and I can honestly say I have no idea what in God's holy name he is trying to say. http://i45.tinypic.com/2j17m0j.jpg
Posted by venomlash]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 16:15:37 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Posted by teamcanada'sforgottenpassword]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 13:40:28 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
As for all of you who can't believe she wasn't using better birth control, this is the reality of small-town America combined with a Mormon upbringing. She didn't know what she didn't know.

Even IF there was a free contraceptive clinic available, these women get fed ALL sorts of disinformation about the supposed dangers of the pill, God's plan for their lives, and a bunch of other crap. Too soon old (and the mother of six) and too late smart.
Posted by attitude devant]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 07:40:33 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
Starving children in Africa.

36¢ a day.

It literally pains you to contemplate the human misery.

But you don't call.

Not because you don't care. You do.

But the overwhelming tidal wave of human suffering that is Africa exhausts you to even think about.
You could feed the starving child in the ad.
But what about the millions more that come online every year?
Your 36¢ would be less than a drop in an endless ocean.
You turn away and try to think about something else.

That was the 20th century.

It is 2012.

You read a post on Slog.

Unemployed uneducated hopeless people and the endless throngs of babies they create, neglect, abuse and kill.

It LITERALLY pains the troll to contemplate the human misery.

What do you do?

If you are a homoliberal you howl at the GOP because they don't tax someone (else) to pay for abortion on demand.
Because the solution is always someone else's money. And Abortion.

If you are the Real American Middle Class?

The people who operate small businesses and have jobs in the private sector and pay the Federal Income taxes that run the country and its social programs?

What do they do?

They believe that extra/premarital sexual behavior is irresponsible and socially devastating.
They believe that Traditional Heterosexual Marriage is the bedrock of a stable prosperous society.

But their values are scorned
and ridiculed
and,
now,
voted away in the HomoLiberal Qunited States of Gommorica.

Danny's Winning!!!

What do you do, Middle Class?

You turn away.
Not because you don't care. You care.
In your soul you acknowledge that you now live in a nation where many babies are better off dead than born.
You grieve more for the 12 year old daughter still in this woman's care than the dead babies in her past.

But in your soul you also acknowledge that there is, literally, nothing you can do about it anymore.

You (and your ever shrinking fellows in the Productive Middle Class) can not pay enough taxes to stem the tide of human misery that is the HomoLiberal Lifestyle.

If you do you will allow this woman and her slut boy friends and the tens of millions like her to drag;
not just their forsaken spawn,
but your children as well;
down into the bottom of their ocean of misery and chaos and death.

You turn away.

There are Two America's now.

The one that wins elections is as far away from you as Africa.

You care.

But you know you can not fix it.

You turn away.

Posted by The Late Great United States of America.]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:43:12 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
Yes.

Obama's American't.

Where was Baby Daddy?

Why didn't he take care of his Hoochie Ho Mamma?

After all, all those single women sure don't vote for Barack because of his JFK looks....

Did the Utah GOP promise this woman
food stamps
and a cell phone
and three years unemployment benefits
and free abortion
and to forgive her $46,000 beauty school student loans
and never require her to pay a penny in Federal Income Taxes
and tell her that husband/fathers are not really all that important?

No.

That was Obama and the HumanistHomoLiberals....

You made the Shit Pie.

It's out of the oven. Grab a Fork......
Posted by Reap the WhirlWind, Bitch]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:13:57 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
Really?

And?

Did Utah's governor impregnate this poor Idaho resident?

Washington State is also next door to Idaho.

Why didn't the enlightened HomoLiberal Oz kill this woman's baby for her?

Besides-

She is living the Democrap Dream.

Murphy Brown!

What could possibly go wrong?

"Her third child, a boy, was born in 2009. The father was “not a long-term relationship,” she says......"

So What? If it feels good, do it baby!

"When the baby was three months old, she started dating an old friend, Buddy Lee, who had recently gotten out of prison..."

Every Child Deserves..., here we come.....

"Their relationship was tempestuous and occasionally violent; there was at least one restraining order involved. Soon after they’d started dating, she found herself pregnant."

wow. how do these babies keep sneaking into this poor woman's belly...

"Lee took her to the nearest clinic, some 140 miles away in Salt Lake City, and paid for the abortion."

"Then, in 2010, she realized she was pregnant by him again."

WHAT!? buy a lottery ticket, lady....

“I wasn’t being careless or sleeping around all the time,” McCormack says...."

of course not, dear.

"By then, Lee was back in jail—"

o.m.g. why do Bad Things happen to good People? it must be Bush's fault. Or the Governor of Utah, maybe it's HIS fault.

No, Wait; we know- it is State Representative Bubba from Podunk, Utah; it's HIS fault that this woman has a baby in her belly and no husband and no job and no money to pay someone to kill her baby....

DAMN YOU TO HELL, BUBBA!.....

.

is that it, Urg? seriously, dude; put your bong down and take a walk in the fresh air.


Posted by U Skip to Gommorah and then Bitch about the scenery?not cool]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 04:06:53 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> The medically-induced abortion pill (prostaglandin and/or antiprogestogen) is NOT the "morning after pill" (estrogen/progestin), which indeed would not work to terminate an established pregnancy.

Different pills.
Posted by Thisbe]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 03:37:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
What a stupid argument.
I for example think that as long as we have nation states in the world they should have some kind of autonomy. That doesn't mean I think Uganda's kill-the-gays law shouldn't be opposed.
Otherwise it would just be obsessing over the form instead of the function.
Posted by JensR]]> Sat, 29 Dec 2012 01:04:52 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/12/28/ra…

Posted by seatackled]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 20:50:44 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
But the best (worst) part is after she uses the pills to abort, she hides the fetus under her bed!

After about a week, the box began to emit an odor. McCormack wrapped it up in more bags and put it out on the back porch, on the shelf of a covered barbecue.


Not that the social system there is any more intelligent...

... which makes it a felony for a woman to have an abortion in a manner not sanctioned by the state and carries a possible prison sentence of up to five years.


Not it's not just the 2nd trimester timeline, but that it was not sanctioned by the state.

I'm starting to smell a rat here...could it be that once everyone finds out that these pills work beyond just the morning after, the whole abortion industry would take a huge nosedive? Along with the associated social system?

Is this really all about disruptive technology...??

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:53:17 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Posted by long-time reader]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 19:32:47 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> I haven't read the whole story - I glanced at the first of five pages - but you are correct: the story says she's lived her whole life in Idaho, and says the nearest clinic offering abortion services is in Salt Lake City. I conclude from this that the woman lives in the southeast corner of Idaho; Salt Lake could be the closest city by a hundred miles, and I have no idea what services can be found in Boise, the runner-up.
Posted by Warren Terra]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 18:03:13 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]>
One question: the story starts out by saying that the woman has always lived in Idaho, but then refers to Utah's state laws? I think the part about Utah must have been a mistake.
Posted by Prettybetsy]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:27:12 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Obama's America?

Utah's governor is a republican.
Utah's state senate is 3/4 republicans.
Utah's house of representatives is 3/4 republicans.

Utah is a GOP wet dream. But I guess you're right in one regard, people are probably better off dead than living in Utah.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:13:48 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: The Quiet Rise in DIY Abortions]]> Posted by internet_jen]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:05:09 -0800 The Stranger