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      <![CDATA[the law used to say "practicable" instead of "safe" Mr G canessplain the difference for us,...
        
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      <![CDATA[@34-  You can quote the law but you can't understand it.  Yes it says "is safe" but like I said the judgement of what is safe is in the hands of the vehicle operator.  So a bicyclist gets to take the lane if that feel that's what is safe.
        
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      <![CDATA[#63, as soon as I see you objecting to the rampant "progressive" incivility here, I might even take you seriously. Until then, I'll view it as just one more example of the rank hypocrisy that characterizes the "progressives" of Seattle.
        
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      <![CDATA[@62 can do. I suggest: "being civil is a better way to convey my ideas to people".
        
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      <![CDATA[I will do both, CbytheSea, and hope you do too. I'll even suggest a New Year's resolution for you: "Science, math, logic, and facts apply to everyone, including 'progressives' like me."
        
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      <![CDATA[@60. That's the spirit! Enjoy your weekend Mister G. Have a good new year.
        
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      <![CDATA[Hell, if I was correct half the time, I'd have damn close to 50% on your crowd.
        
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      <![CDATA[@58 so, you're claiming you're correct 100 percent of the time?
        
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      <![CDATA[#57, bullshit. For you to say that I don't have my facts right is one more glaring example of how Seattle's "progressives" are just as aggressively stupid as Sarah Palin ever was. Face it, it's never about facts with you people. You're just as faith-based as the people to whom you think you're so, so superior.
        
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      <![CDATA[@56 thanks for looking into it. May I suggest drafting an initiative?<br />
I wasn't being phony. I just wonder why you get so defensive so quickly. But, yeah, I went too far. Your life is your's and its none of business. But as far as not knowing what I'm talking about, you've been equally as guilty of that crime. What you say about progressives could be easily applied to your posts too.
        
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      <![CDATA[#55, yes, I have researched the issue. Bike taxes got dropped in Europe because of the political influence of their Green parties, not because the taxes were difficult to administer. There was a license and fee in Toronto that was dropped because that city's government created a ridiculous administrative mechanism. But no "progressive" has ever been able to explain why Seattle can collect pet licensing fees but not bike fees, or why the motor vehicle license bureaus couldn't simply add bikes to the list of vehicles.<br />
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I don't think bicycles are destroying our roads. I can't imagine why you do. They do no road damage, just as cars, light trucks, and motorcycles do no road damage. If road damage was the only criterion for the levying of vehicle taxes, then only trucks should pay taxes. Buses are a special and more complicated category. But we require licenses and fees for more reasons: to fund maintenance caused by factors other than vehicle weight, to fund new construction, to facilitate the identification of vehicles, and to generate overall revenue.<br />
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Bicyclists frequently make the weight/damage argument. That argument is a lie. Then they will trot out the lie that it's logistically impossible to require licenses and fees. The bottom line is that bicyclists, as a group, are selfish freeloaders. It mirrors their common behavior on the streets, where they routinely ride recklessly and illegally.<br />
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As for whether my life has been kind, oh please, I think I can do without the phony concern of some slimy "progressive" hypocrite who doesn't know what the fuck he's talking about. The reason I'm vitriolic here is because the "progressive" fuckwads need so badly to be told, especially in a "polite" city, that plenty of people can see through your idiocy.
        
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      <![CDATA[@54 bike taxes have been tried throughout Europe (you know that continent that loves taxes) and they ditched it. As I asked earlier, have you researched the issue? <br />
I don't love McGinn, a lot of liberals don't either. I wouldn't say I carter to bicyclists, I just don't find them as threatening as you clearly do not do I think they're destroying our roads. <br />
I guess you like wasting money rather finishing a project? That seems like a responsible way to go. It strikes me as rather sad to wish others' dreams crushed. But I don't know you in person and what you've gone through. I'd imagine from your hostility towards others, life hasn't been kind. I hope your day-to-day interactions with people around you go better than here. <br />
        
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      <![CDATA[#53, you're a typical "progressive," Bike taxes have not been "tried in the past" here. They are no harder to administer than other vehicle taxes. The only thing stopping it is the "progressive" willingness to cater to bicyclists. And that one's going to get your favorite mayor bounced out on his ass next year. <br />
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As for I-1185, I mention it because I know how much you "progressives" hate it. I am truly enjoying the whining about it, and about the state Senate going to the Republicans. It's going to be a lot of fun watching the "progressive" mass transit dreams come to a screeching halt in the next couple years because of both those developments.
        
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      <![CDATA[@52. I thought we were getting somewhere with this whole acting like an adult. You know, stay on the topic. We all know the idiots lie on either of the extremes. <br />
 As I mentioned people have been trying to do what you are proposing but for some reason they all ended up ditching it. Do you wonder why? <br />
I'm not saying I'm smarter than you. I'm simply pointing out that there is a history of trying to tax bikes and it seems to lose steam rather quickly. I think a more reasonable and doable system would be to add a tax on the sale of a bike. That's just my take. <br />
I'm trying to be fair here, but it's really hard when you decide to go into diatribes against McGinn. I asked what you, not McGinn would do. <br />
I haven't lied to you at all. I've pointed out that cars do a slim amount of damage to roads and that bike taxes have been tried in the past but always seem to fade away. <br />
I don't see what I-1185 has anything to do with what we've been talking about. Unless, you're thinking a 2/3rds majority would go for a bike tax.
        
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      <![CDATA[#50, the "progressives" of Seattle are every bit as stupid as the flip side of their coin, Sarah Palin. Just as resistant to facts, just as self-righteous, just as proud of their ignorance, just as hypocritical, just as selfish, just as dishonest.<br />
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You ask how to implement a bicycle tax. McGinn, the typical fuckin' "progressive" Seattle liar, says it can't be done. What a joke. He sits on top of a city government that, among other things, collects annual taxes on pets. That bureau could do it. So could the motor vehicle licensing bureaus that handle cars, light trucks, and motorcycles. It's no more "burdensome" for bikes than for other road vehicles.<br />
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But, of course, your pack of lying shitheads will do the Sarah Palin thing and spew out lies. The most galling thing about it is then you turn around and pose as being "smarter" than everyone else. Oh well, at least the rest of us are getting our revenge with I-1185 and what's happened in the state Senate.<br />
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      <![CDATA[MisterG, there's some kids on your lawn. Better see to that.
        
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      <![CDATA[@48 see, that wasn't hard. You could have same this thread a lot of stupidity by simply ditching the insults and make a point. <br />
How would you implement this tax? Would you require bikes to be registered with the state? Or would bicyclists simply volunteer to pay? Honestly, I don't see how you could make sure each bike on the road has paid this tax without some form of registration. <br />
That said, have you done much research into bicycle registration? It has a pretty interesting history both domestically and aboard. I'm not saying it's impossible but past attempts certainly hint that it's a daunting task. Burdensome enough, that most countries have ditched it for monetary purposes and mostly register bikes simply for theft.<br />
Like I said, and I have said to you many times in other threads, I'm most interested in ideas than insults. Do you think you're up to that?
        
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      <![CDATA[@21: Thanks for the PDF. Written proof that you're a dumbshit.
        
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      <![CDATA[#46, bicycles should pay the same road use taxes as motorcycles: $85 a year.
        
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      <![CDATA[@45 good roads exist BECAUSE of bicycles...<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Roads_Movement" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Good_Roads_&hellip;</a><br />
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You hurt my brain.  I was willing to humor you back in the intelligence test days, but you're just tiresome now.
        
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      <![CDATA[@45 so what do you purpose? Bikes have been on the roads of Seattle since there were roads in Seattle. And as the sage old man you clearly are, you know they're not going away. So, instead of joking about killing people with your car and bitching on the Internet, why not offer a suggestion? I'm open to talk about it, different points of view often can work together to create viable solutions. Unless, you're just trolling. Then troll away old man! Keep them "progressives" off your lawn and guard your non native plants! <br />
        
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      <![CDATA[#44, child, as it concerns heavy trucks driven in more than one state, they pay "apportioned" fees to their home state, which then distributes money to the states where they drive. For smaller vehicles, the combination of reciprocal travel, lack of wear on the roads, and state gas taxes takes care of any "free riding."<br />
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I don't "hate" bicyclists, but I do want them to quit their freeloading and stop being such reckless assholes on the streets. I consider bicyclists to be spoiled children, and their favorite Mayor McSchwinn to be a corrupt, five-star jerk. But "hate?" Nope. Call it irritation and disrespect.
        
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      <![CDATA[@43 well, those insults sure are the mark of your maturity. I just wanted to see if your contempt for freeloading was universal. Those out of state 18 wheelers are causing a lot of damage. <br />
  Anyhow, I'm not the grump irrationally hating people who enjoy riding bikes. Cheers! <br />
        
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      <![CDATA[#41, you can't really be that stupid, can you? Do you actually need to have it spelled out for you, child?
        
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      <![CDATA[@32<br />
Oh!  Well if cyclists want to use the space for recreation AND heavy industry, it sounds like they need grade separation.  Maybe a cut and cover tunnel for bikes?
        
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