http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/27/who-wants-to-put-up-some-money-for-a-seattle-gun-buyback-program Comments On: Who Wants to Put Up Some Money for a Seattle Gun Buyback Program? by Goldy en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Tue, 21 May 2013 01:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss
That we ended psych ward funding, treatment centers, meds, and prison space...yeah. If you feel outrage toward an inanimate metal, wood and plastic object, you are by definition insane.
Posted by OU812]]> Wed, 02 Jan 2013 20:57:52 -0800 The Stranger Posted by chaseacross]]> Tue, 01 Jan 2013 01:02:57 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Tawnos]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:28:33 -0800 The Stranger
Jesus, you're disingenuous. Who do you think you're fooling, anyway?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 22:12:02 -0800 The Stranger
You just can't take "yes" for an answer. Can you?

I never said they are not successful.
I never told anyone not to contribute to them.
I only asked for additional information about their outcomes and how they are measured.

Let me repeat myself AGAIN…

If gun buyback programs are successful in reducing gun deaths I will support them in principal and with cash.

I only ask to know (as I do with any program I contribute to) how is the success of the proposed program defined and measured?

Jesus you're insufferable.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:44:11 -0800 The Stranger
it was a long way to go, but internet smile of the day!
Posted by JAT]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 16:18:56 -0800 The Stranger
OK then. You don't think they've been successful and so won't be donating. There. Nothing more to see here.

Yet for some reason you keep hanging around worrying that somebody else might donate. Why? What's in it for you? What do you have to fear from an ineffective program?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:31:01 -0800 The Stranger
You don’t, and I never said you did. Did I?

The title of the post is “Who Wants to Put Up Some Money for a Seattle Gun Buyback Program?”

My answer is: Me!!! If you can show me that those programs are successful by defining success and how it will be measured.

Now... Who's organizing this thing (and can answer my simple question regarding its success)? How much is the Stranger putting in? And, how much are YOU putting in? (I’m sure that I'll want to at least match your generous contribution.)
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:54:53 -0800 The Stranger
But we don't need you for a gun buyback. Why must we show you anything? Why are you even concerned? If a group of people wishes to pool their money and buy guns with it, what does that have to do with you?
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:36:23 -0800 The Stranger
I did. Like "liberals" everywhere, you care about only two things: opposing gun laws, and, uh, noodle restaurants.

Sock puppet.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 13:33:46 -0800 The Stranger
Then look up my comment history and see for yourself, fool.
Posted by CPN]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 12:26:06 -0800 The Stranger Show me empirical evidence that buyback programs are successful in curbing gun violence (or even accidental deaths) and I’ll be the first to cut a check. But first I need a definition of success and metrics with which to measure it. Considering all the unintended consequences it seems like they may be successful marketing ploys for grocery stores, and successful methods for making people ‘feel’ like they are making a difference, but I’m not convinced they are much more than that. I try to focus my giving dollars on programs that demonstrate measurable success.

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 09:57:51 -0800 The Stranger
The problem with making sockpuppet accounts to fake up astroturf support for the NRA is that anybody can click on your name and read your comment history. Doh!
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 08:45:53 -0800 The Stranger
Having participated in 'The Great Stranger Gun Debate' of the last month or so, I've been clearly labeled as a 'gun nut' by my fellow (and beloved) liberals.

Having said that, and as a lifetime NRA member, I fully support your notion of a privately-funded gun buyback program.

Even though, to me, it's just more feel-good bullshit that won't affect gun violence in the slightest, I support you in this endeavor. The difference here is that it doesn't impinge on my right of self-defense and, thus, I have no problem.

Knock yourself out... and I sincerely hope it saves lives. Hell, if you get it going, I'll even volunteer to help on buyback day.

Happy now? Will you accept goodwill and labor from a gun nut? I'm genuine and serious in my offer.


Posted by CPN]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 01:48:41 -0800 The Stranger The study did not conclude that the Seattle buyback program was ineffective. It concluded that the reduction in the number of guns was too small to provide a statistically meaningful measure of its effectiveness. Big difference.

No, you pathetic twit, I believe the operate phrase is "a distinction without a difference." Good God, it's a wonder you're smart enough to breathe.
Posted by Mister G]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 01:26:21 -0800 The Stranger 1-just because a gun is broken does not mean it can't discharge, perhaps unexpectedly. Much safer to get it out of the house. I can tell you this from experience.
2- the 'old gun you got from your cousin' probably isn't being stored safely, and can easily be stolen or mishandled by a young or inexperienced person
3-if a gun has been stolen it will never find its way back to the right side of the law. may as well melt it down.
4- if gun collectors wanna stand out front and try to buy the few high quality/collectable firearms that come in, that actually seems pretty clever on their part. good for them.
etc. etc. The idea that it was a grocery store gift card is even better. Maybe we could get a local chain to sell cards to the program at a 5% discount, or have 2-3 options so folks could shop near to their homes.
@42- also exactly right, I know so many people with piles of junk guns/parts that are just waiting for a buyback in their area so they can cash in. Nothing wrong with that at all. Again-many of those guns still fire, or could be used to threaten since its hard to tell the difference during a robbery (ask me how I know) and are rarely kept in the safe like the good/working guns. safer for everyone if they are melted.
Posted by Chris Jury]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 23:38:28 -0800 The Stranger
My friends might also stand outside with cash to make sure that no valuable artifacts get turned into scrap. These buybacks are usually happy to melt down collectible guns with value that the current owners can't recognize.
Posted by restlessnative]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 22:51:30 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Goldy]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:48:46 -0800 The Stranger
Not only was there not enough of a difference to be statistically significant, the point estimate of the number of firearm-related events INCREASED following the buy back. In the world of science and statistics we learned nothing for certain but the trend doesn't look good. As long as we want to make up stories I'll put my money on criminals turning in their crummy old weapons for down payments on better pieces.
Posted by BLUE]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:23:03 -0800 The Stranger
This pretty much settles it, doesn't it? Gun nuts don't care about the 2nd Amendment. They don't care about crime. They don't care about shootings: accidental, suicides, rampages, whatever. Don't care. They don't care about any of the stuff they're always going on about.

They care about one thing: having as many guns on the street as possible. The guns themselves are their goal. They want the world flooded with guns.

They love guns like they were their children. Like they want guns to be fruitful, and multiply. It's all about the guns for them.

Which is really, really, um, sad to say it again, nuts.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:08:14 -0800 The Stranger gunbroker.com. Prices are hot right now!

No wonder the Stranger hired this turd and made him an honorary bum boy. He's as smart as they are.
Posted by Stranger'sWorstNightmare]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:04:56 -0800 The Stranger Posted by doceb]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:20:24 -0800 The Stranger Oh... In the future please try to be clearer when you're being "truthful" rather than "factual". Maybe you could use Comic Sans script to identify "truthy" statements that are not actually "factual".

I guess that “it was 'successful' because 'a lot' of gun owners took advantage of it" probably meets The Stanger’s high journalistic bar.
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:19:43 -0800 The Stranger
That said, @23 made assertions of fact whereas I used a subjective word to describe to describe the program. Not the same thing. So you're not as clever as you think in demanding that I back up my facts.
Posted by Goldy]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:06:04 -0800 The Stranger So if "the number of guns was too small to provide a statistically meaningful measure of its effectiveness" how did you determine that "Seattle ran a successful gun buyback program 20 years ago"? How did you define and measure the success of that program? (Please provide your reference materials).
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 16:52:29 -0800 The Stranger