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Also: You're right, this is all about the men. It always is.
Posted by goodjobguy]]> Fri, 28 Dec 2012 15:47:02 -0800 The Stranger
Cienna does a lot of posts like this, sarcastically throwing out "jeez everyone knows women are soooo oppressed" without a real fact or two to support it.

The numbers are damn near the same when you account for job experience, educational background, and y'know, important stuff, like whether or not men and women are actually doing the same job.

Why lie about these statistics? Why fudge data to support the lie that women don't get a fair shake with job payment? They do. It's even codified into law. If you're aware of any instance where this is really happening, feel free to file a class action lawsuit.
Posted by TortoiseTurtle]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 18:31:34 -0800 The Stranger Posted by TVDinner]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:42:28 -0800 The Stranger "A corporate culture which was designed by and for men (e.g. that it's considered professional to let interpersonal differences slide, rather than talk about them)."

Fascinating and astute observation! I've found that the truly successful business women (and men) that I've worked with are particularly adept at “letting interpersonal differences slide” (as in not taking every damn thing personally and obsessing over every perceived slight).

Not sure that that describes a corporate culture “designed for men” rather than a corporate culture designed for business, but men do seem more naturally adept at “moving on”, and are probably rewarded for that ability.
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:05:04 -0800 The Stranger Posted by julie russell]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 17:00:14 -0800 The Stranger
Off the top of my head, some others are;
- fewer senior women to mentor younger women
- a corportate culture which was designed by and for men (e.g. that it's considered professional to let interpersonal differences slide, rather than talk about them).
- lack of a critical mass of senior women to create an environment where new women can gain a sense of belonging

Tonnes of data can be found at catalyst.org

Posted by doloresdaphne]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 15:43:38 -0800 The Stranger Posted by fsb]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:33:16 -0800 The Stranger Posted by sikandro]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:28:10 -0800 The Stranger
@9 - yep. Best and easiest way to get a raise. :) I was severely underpaid until I went that route.
Posted by subwlf]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 12:20:54 -0800 The Stranger I'm bored...
(to tears)
Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:28:55 -0800 The Stranger
@4 You've commented twice in a 25 minute span on a post you claim to not care about.


Posted by blip]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 11:14:29 -0800 The Stranger
That then is my answer for why, on average, women still get paid less. They just haven't been playing the lottery as long. Eventually the law of large numbers will catch up.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:48:39 -0800 The Stranger Posted by sarah70]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:39:06 -0800 The Stranger
That said, my advice has always been to never ask for a raise unless you already have an offer from another organization. It's harsh, but if you ask for a raise you deserve and are turned down, you need to resign within the month. The best raise you will ever get is when you take a new job, and if your current employer won't pay up, someone else will.
Posted by derpyderpington]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:29:27 -0800 The Stranger Posted by six five]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:10:05 -0800 The Stranger Posted by prompt]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:05:14 -0800 The Stranger
My colleague was negotiating for a better position with our former boss about a year ago. My colleague felt like she was in a weak position, having recently taken both bereavement and maternity leave, and not having been with the company all that long. So she was just asking for a better title and some different responsibilities, and specifically said she wasn't asking for more money. Our boss said, "Don't say that. A man would never say that. A man would always ask for more money." That sticks with me.
Posted by AmyC]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 10:03:03 -0800 The Stranger Posted by jzimbert]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:48:01 -0800 The Stranger Women live longer
life's not fair
get over it

Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:46:25 -0800 The Stranger Posted by fsb]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:42:08 -0800 The Stranger
For the record, I'm totally in favor of equal pay no matter what. But our silly competitive workforce requires everyone to be a sales negotiator when salary comes up.

Perhaps men ask for higher salaries more often than women do?
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:28:11 -0800 The Stranger Posted by You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me]]> Thu, 27 Dec 2012 09:22:46 -0800 The Stranger