http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/21/finally-some-fucking-guts-on-the-school-board Comments On: Finally, Some Fucking Guts on the School Board by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Wed, 22 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Wed, 22 May 2013 21:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Minerva]]> Mon, 24 Dec 2012 00:26:28 -0800 The Stranger
The first thing on the NRA list is to prevent public education campaigns. If it was just "liberal" naivete, the NRA wouldn't be so frightened of it.

Also, they have effectively shut down all Federal agencies that would normally put some money into studying gun issues like they do traffic, food, medicine, and disease.

Also, you missed my point, which was that the NRA will go all out to block something as minor as a public education campaign.

For the gun manufacturers who fund the NRA, every killing is sales PR. They view Sandy Hook as an awesome Christmas ad campaign. Bushnell assault rifles have now sold out completely in gun stores across the nation!


Posted by cracked]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 14:41:15 -0800 The Stranger Posted by zombie eyes]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 11:26:49 -0800 The Stranger Posted by shabadoo]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 09:15:12 -0800 The Stranger Posted by seattlejenny]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:56:16 -0800 The Stranger
Armed guards does NOT solve the problem. Are we that crazy in this country that we would accept this is this ONLY solution? Please.

There are security officers (not armed) at every high school in Seattle (and most middle schools). A couple of the high schools do have a Seattle PD officer who checks in regularly (if not daily). It would be great if the City had this for ALL the high schools and middle schools as it establishes relationships that help head off situations.

The goal is to AVOID these situations.


Posted by westello]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:52:54 -0800 The Stranger Posted by bobbyjoe]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:13:15 -0800 The Stranger Posted by MikeB]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 08:09:22 -0800 The Stranger Posted by why do what works?]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 07:05:35 -0800 The Stranger
EVERY nation that has DRAMATICALLY lower rates of massacre, mayhem, and gun death, vastly restricts guns. The only way nations have in practice achieved relative safety is that way. NOT through armed guarding every school.

and btw the stupidity of the nra and gun lovers' arguments is obvious.

we already have armed guards all over, they are called police, we already have 280 fucking million guns all over, we are the most armed nation ever in this history of the earth except for maybe fucking wajiristan or afghanistan and guess what? we lead the world or are at the top in massacres, gun deaths, and lots of crime generally, while 30 other nations that highly restrict guns....aren't.

put an armed guard at the school house door, and
1. he will welcome the lanza teenager in, knowing him so well. then lanza will go crazy and shoot everyone.
2. lanza will go in another door, or shoot up the gym or playground.
3. lanza will go to another school. or playground.
or mall. or church. or church school. or church playground.

it's such a cop out to say look at every thing, if a proposal could possible avert JUST ONE DEATH we should look at it and put in five billions dollars for it blah blalh blah blah blah the truth is simple, our massive love affair with guns puts them within reach EZ reach of every crazy and criminal, and the places that keep them out of reach or simply make it a BIT harder have FAR lower rates of gun death. England, 4% own guns, far lower gun deaths. Canada has like 40% the gun ownership rate of america. it's no gun free zone. FAR lower rates of massacre and gun death. Australia, ditto, scotland ireland wales ditto. my god it's like some people are too stooooopid to use their brains and see facts instead playing out little dramas in their head, imagining a brave armed guard taking down lanza! deterring lanza from that one school, PROBLEM SOLVED they somehow can't imagine that lanza would GO TO A PLAYGROUND OR STREET CORNER or SHOOT FIRST BY GETTIN GTHE JUMP ON THE GUARD because obviously unless we have swat teams everywhere with their guns drawn and safety off they'll be like the lakewood four -- SITTING DUCKS.

what's most cowardly of the nra and all these fucking gun owners, the 6% in washington state with concealed carry? why aren' they out there right now stopping these gun deaths. 6% of the folks in that lakewood coffee shop had concealed carry permits right? didn't do those officers any good. of course the nra solution to all this is "don't just arm the guards, arm EVERYONE!" conveniently selling more guns and NRA memberships of course, but this then leads to theproblem that the school guard will welcome lanza or any other about to turn crazy nut on campus being NOT ALLOWED TO REQUEST THEY NOT BRING A GUN TO SCHOOL. See the real nra plan is to foster and create all this mayhem death murder and massacre to sell more guns for their corporate idols and generate more NRA membership. too bad too much of america is too stoopid to see it's working pretty well. 280 million guns, worst gun death rates of any advanced nation, and most fucking idiots here of the gun loving persuasion can't make the connection.
Posted by stoopid gun lovers]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 07:01:46 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Clayton]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:47:44 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Nineveh]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 05:37:50 -0800 The Stranger
Columbine. Troll harder next time beta.
Posted by watchout5]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:16:59 -0800 The Stranger
As a lifelong liberal I still get stunned by the naivete of some of my fellow liberals.
Posted by sarah70]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 02:02:24 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Whatup?]]> Sat, 22 Dec 2012 00:24:27 -0800 The Stranger Posted by jt]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 23:36:19 -0800 The Stranger
Though an elementary school full of babies and women...is a gun free zone. Fuck you Libs!
Posted by ffs]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:40:17 -0800 The Stranger http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vertebra
Posted by elaineinballard]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 22:16:09 -0800 The Stranger Posted by sarah70]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:46:00 -0800 The Stranger
If you ask a barber if you need a haircut, the answer will always be yes. By demanding a reaction from the NRA, we got the only reaction we could ever expect to get from the NRA.

The default position of this organization is, and always will be, "more guns=better". You will never convince them to adopt any other position.

What you can hope to do, though is convince those who support the NRA to abandon the organization. Given the spike in NRA membership following the President's speech, the current strategy is not achieving the desired effect.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:25:39 -0800 The Stranger
To start with, can we have an educational outreach program to families about the danger of guns in the home? What is wrong with that? I know it wouldn't violate the 2nd amendment under any interpretation. Why can't the school board, city, or state do that? Because the NRA and the gun nuts don't want people talking about how maybe the weapons are making those around gun owners LESS safe. They don't just want guns. They want the non-nuts to feel powerless to do anything about guns in their lives. If we had an educational campaign maybe everybody would feel more empowered to ask for small things, like how people (including off duty police!) should lock up their guns.
Posted by cracked]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:21:56 -0800 The Stranger Posted by auntie grizelda]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 21:15:50 -0800 The Stranger
So that's interesting, that even professional soldiers, who are highly trained and disciplined in the use of weapons, are NOT ALLOWED to have live ammo on base.

Maybe the Army knows something that the rest of us could learn from.....
Posted by Ernie1]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:41:56 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Stranger'sWorstNightmare]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 20:09:53 -0800 The Stranger
Nope, the only solution is arms control. Or in the case of the millions of AR15s and high-cap mags around, maybe ammo control. The .223 is only used by those guns. Ban the sale of 'em and eventually that problem goes away.
Posted by Brooklyn Reader]]> Fri, 21 Dec 2012 19:31:12 -0800 The Stranger