Comments On: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs by Dominic Holden http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/12/santas-storm-downtown-and-invade-macys-with-wheelbarrow-of-coal-for-ceos Comments On: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Wed, 22 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Wed, 22 May 2013 14:00:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Which you only get in Seattle if you live near a ST LINK station, in SLU, or near where UW properties are.
Posted by Will in Seattle]]> Thu, 13 Dec 2012 11:50:43 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
We need to push the envelop on these demonstrations to make them "in your face", organized and effective. Putting on what amounts to performance theater is just that...theater.
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger]]> Thu, 13 Dec 2012 05:41:39 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by K]]> Thu, 13 Dec 2012 01:25:18 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by Former Lurker]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 23:09:27 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by wilbur@work]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:38:10 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
As I'm sure you understand, in the pure form* of General Assembly, it only takes one person to obstruct cooperation with Organized Labor.

If the decision-making structure that occupiers have agreed to abide by does not in some way overcome that one person's opposition, then it is perfectly correct to say that opposition to Organized Labor is occupy's** position, though of course it may not be the position of many (or even most) occupiers***.

 

* the impure form (supermajority rule rather than unanimous consensus) needed**** 10-20% of participants to prevent collaboration with Organized Labor.

** and if this is true for one small-o, local occupy, then it follows that it must also be true for big-O, global Occupy, since the local GA is the largest unit of organizational structure.

*** this state of affairs is hardly unique to occupy, of course; it is possible in many different organizational structures to arrive at group policies that reflect the opinion of only a minority of the participants.

**** and had, easily
Posted by robotslave]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 22:12:46 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by giffy]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:50:17 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by Perspiring minds want to know]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:46:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by sarah70]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 21:26:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
http://www.121212concert.org/
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 20:54:02 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by floater]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 19:12:24 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by Stupid White Male]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:58:00 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Isn't Ian Finklegerbiling the only one left in occupy Seattle? Pretty much a one man army at this point which is handy I imagine when it comes to all night camping with only once bucket to shit in.
Posted by Jennifer Fox's Fetus]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:49:47 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Ian Fingerupmybutt isn't an idiot. He just looks like one with that pink gerbil he pulled from his ass and glued to his head.
Posted by Jennifer Fox's Fetus]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:41:56 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by hmmmmm]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 18:04:13 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by Ipso Facto]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:56:29 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Ian is completely correct.
Posted by Ipso Facto]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:52:48 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Why is this important? Because issues like a lack of democratic control over government and wealth inequality really aren't being addressed by said powerful actors. There's a creepy kind of elitism within parts of the Democratic Party, which also spills over into The Stranger. It's anathema to what Occupy was trying to do.
Posted by Tent_Liberation_Army]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:49:37 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
As I reported last year about a forum at Town Hall:

JM Wong from Occupy Seattle declared that she wanted “no leadership from the Democratic Party or union bureaucrats. Nonprofits are trying to co-opt us."


She said that while sitting next to Washington State Labor Council secretary-treasurer Lynne Dodson, who had to push back: "I like to consider myself a union activist, not a union bureaucrat. This is labor’s fight, this is our fight."
Posted by Dominic Holden]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:24:33 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/26/opinio…
Posted by gloomy gus]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:19:08 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]> Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:06:48 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Wait - the corporations themselves (Macy's, etc) are lobbying Congress for tax cuts for the wealthy? Or the CEO's of these corporations? Or both? Your sentance is unclear. You say the CEOs were targeted, but the corporations are lobbying. Are the CEO's lobbying as themselves, or on behalf of their corporations?
Posted by TJ]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 17:05:56 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Oh.

Wait.
Posted by Will in Seattle]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:51:07 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
Anyhoo, nothing better than ruining a day out with the family Christmas shopping to get people on your side. Keep up the work.
Posted by Sugartit]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:43:01 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Santas Storm Downtown and Invade Macy's with Wheelbarrow of Coal for CEOs]]>
While the they were only too happy to give us props after a new EGT contract (which was actually kind of shitty) ILWU has routinely and consistently shit on Occupy. It's not Occupy that rejected labor, it's Labor that rejected Occupy.

Seriously. Ask some people fucking questions before you spout nonsense, Christ.
Posted by Ian Awesome]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 16:34:00 -0800 The Stranger