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      <![CDATA[#16, Hollywood is one thing, but the law is another. The feds could, at they say in the trade, easily "pierce the corporate veil" of any so-called "fakery." It would be a matter of minutes for them to do.
        
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      <![CDATA[#24 is partly right on the details, and entirely correct on the big picture. <br />
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It's easy to grow marijuana. At least 90% of the price is the result of its illegal status. According to <a href="http://www.rand.org/pubs/working_papers/2010/RAND_WR764.pdf" rel="nofollow">this Rand Corp. report</a>, it would cost $2.85 an ounce (about $46 a pound) to grow pot in California's central valley with a THC content of 15%. More than $5 a pound as #24 wrote, yet still very cheap.<br />
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If the feds interfere with I-502, as I'm sure they will, the next step could be outright legalization. Simply remove any state penalties for possession, sale, cultivation, or transfer of marijuana, its seeds, or plants. The feds don't have enough manpower to enforce keep every home grower from growing.<br />
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If that were to happen, the cost of growing <i>good</i> pot (quality being mainly a function of genetics, not the bullshit that your "dispensary" shyster likes to sell you on) would fall to a rate that, in the backyard, would round down to zero. <br />
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There was never any good reason to set up the State of Washington as operator and enforcer of a marijuana cartel. For all kinds of reasons, that structure is doomed from the get-go. If you want marijuana to be legal, then <i>legalize it</i> for crying out loud.
        
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      <![CDATA[Just wait until the feds seize the cash. They can, and they will.
        
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      <![CDATA[Federal illegality would also be a strong incentive against a business' being able to use some valuable amount of marijuana as security for a loan---and any small business that deals in goods can end up needing to use the goods for that purpose (to maintain liquidity when sales are down, leading to increased stocks if you're not perfectly Just-in-Timed).
        
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      <![CDATA[Bitcoin.
        
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      <![CDATA[@26 Tribal lands are under federal regulations... Given the history, I'd guess this would result in an armed confrontation.
        
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      <![CDATA[<blockquote><br />
Did you hear that guy?<br />
You got to listen to him. <br />
You'll learn something.</blockquote><br />
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<a href="http://www.anyclip.com/movies/scarface/the-banker-leaves/#!quotes/" rel="nofollow">http://www.anyclip.com/movies/scarface/t&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[@22 one bizarre question is can casinos on tribal lands sell MJ without state MJ taxes?<br />
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I don't know the answer to that one. I'm just wondering.
        
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      <![CDATA[@24 -- I'm with you. Let's make Washington dependent on Marijuana Money.
        
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      <![CDATA[Not to rain on everyone's big $$$ weed parade, but I think long term, you're doing the economics wrong.  From an agricultural standpoint, producing mediocre weed isn't any more expensive than producing asparagus or artichokes.  If it was totally unregulated, and any farmer could grow and sell it, the price would be similar, too.  You know, like $5 <i>a pound</i>.<br />
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Mind you, I'm not in favor of that.  What I am in favor of, however, is the state making most of the money from the trade.  The retail price, including the state's cut, should be set at whatever level will drive the criminal cartels out of business, but no lower.  I'd actually like to see about 90% of the price being state revenue.  (The state's cut of lottery sales is even higher, and there's no dearth of vendors willing to sell those.)<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[@21 -- Maybe the people who run Las Vegas and Atlantic City will invest. I bet they know some pretty good loan shark skills.<br />
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(I like TV too. AND long walks on the beach.)
        
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      <![CDATA[I would talk to the local tribes with the big casinos.  They might be ideally positioned to help.
        
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      <![CDATA[Is there anyway to make the loan shark model contractually legal? Is that the closest to a bank the industry can get while still be threatened by FED seizure? Though, it'd need to be scaled up to support business as opposed to individual degenerate gamblers. (basing this on stuff I've learned from TV)
        
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      <![CDATA[@2 Exactly. If you're legal you have a license so your name, address, etc are already recorded. The Feds are more likely to subpoena state records then troll tax returns.
        
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      <![CDATA[yes, cannabis.<br>
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thank god, you got the word right.
        
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      <![CDATA[Oh, and can someone please create a weed vending machine so I can buy 1 weed and 1 lighter before i go to a concert? <br />
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If you place the machine in a bar, you shouldn't have to check IDs before your sale.
        
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      <![CDATA[How do the medical people solve this problem? From what I understand, their lawyers tell them <em>not</em> to pay taxes.<br />
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And, by the way... if I buy weed for my illness, I shouldn't pay sales tax because it's medicine. If I buy weed for my recreation, I should. Can the medical people create some kind of OTS weed so I can buy it without a prescription but save myself 9%? (oh, and deduct it from my Federal Income tax as a legitimate health-care expense?!)
        
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      <![CDATA[<i>Weeds</i> already solved this problem. Buy a ton of muffins and coffee from Costco and open up a "Fakery." You have a legitmate business* and can readily explain why you're depositing $50K a week.<br />
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*My understanding is that the new MJ stores can't operate as coffee houses, so just lease the space next door.
        
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      <![CDATA[Main things are:<br />
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1. pay your taxes.<br />
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2. follow the state law.<br />
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3. remember most small firms are really DBA (doing business as), and tend to have different "names". This is common business practice.<br />
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What @14 said. But there technically is a difference between a state chartered bank and a federal chartered bank. I've owned shares in both.
        
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      <![CDATA[@11: It's a detail, but the FDIC doesn't have anything to do with credit unions. The credit unions are insured through the NCUA. Still the Feds... but a different agency.
        
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      <![CDATA[@4,<br />
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I'm sure there are banks that solely have branches within a given state, but all banks are federally regulated, which makes sense given that financial transactions are national and global in scope.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:28:17 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[NotSean]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Speaking of federal interloping via FDIC...<br />
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...I expect (50/50) that the feds will place 'anti-legal-pot' stipulations for future federal funding of various projects, like highways, bridges, tunnels, policing, poverty...    <br />
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Watch for it.<br />
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    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:26:39 -0800</pubDate>
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    <author><![CDATA[six shooter]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[FDIC, son. Your local, Washington-only credit union bank account is subject to federal regulations.<br />
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Planet Money is awesome.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:17:40 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[Of course I posted--like it seems @<a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/10/how-will-local-cannabis-businesses-manage-their-banking&amp;cb=289772f8633f464a67ff587353b507e8&amp;layoutId=PostComment&amp;view=comments#comment-15495613" rel="nofollow">1</a> may have done--without listening to the linked story.<br />
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/facepalm
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:16:49 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[@<a href="http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/10/how-will-local-cannabis-businesses-manage-their-banking#comment-15495613" rel="nofollow">1</a>: Wasn't this covered a while back? Any FDIC-insured bank or credit union (see <a href="http://m.npr.org/story/165245222" rel="nofollow">this little gem</a> from NPR involving, definitely a WA only institution saying "NOPE!") is still scared of federal regulations being a problem if they handle or loan money that's based on the pot.<br />
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But who knows? Maybe your "you <i>have</i> to accept my money!" argument will carry the day.
        
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    <pubDate>Mon, 10 Dec 2012 15:14:41 -0800</pubDate>
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