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Posted by youreaditherefirst]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 02:44:48 -0800 The Stranger
Sure they can.

There is nothing to stop them. But themselves.

And if they did they would enjoy the emotional and financial advantages that flow from THM.

Because it isn't the certificate that conveys the advantages.

And it is not the societal recognition.

It is the lifestyle choices. They are their own reward.

The CDC advocates abstinence followed by monogamy as the surest path to sexual/reproductive health.

THM.

And to the extent that social scientists and psychologists have objectively studied it they find that the emotional health advantages of a THM lifestyle match the medical ones. Or exceed them.

"Can" homosexuals live THM values?

Danny seems to think that, as a group, they can not.

Certainly he himself does not even pretend to want to.

It is all about the certificate to Danny.
All about rubbing Maggie's nose in the fact that he has a "Real" marriage, too.

It is almost as if a community college drop-out imagined that he could just coerce an Ivy League school into giving him a diploma and then he would be educated.

Silly boy.

If the values Danny advocates; pre-marital sex, adultery, co-habitation, parenting configurations other than father-mother, etc; become accepted as cultural values that displace THM then marriage as an institution will lose the benefits it as heretofore conveyed.

We are already far along that road.

No doubt Danny was being a smart ass when he titled a book Skipping Toward Gomorrah but it is the most enlighten phrase he has ever uttered.

He perfectly describes the cultural changes he seeks.

We must admit that when the fundamentalists claimed allowing homosexuals to marry would hasten those other changes we thought they were being hysterical. That was before we knew who Danny was or what he advocated. He has convinced us that the Fundamentalists were right. Danny's gloating post about Earhart yesterday shows that getting that certificate has not diminished his lust to destroy THM one whit.

How many advocates of homosexual "marriage" are also Fierce Advocates of abstinence until marriage? Monogamy?

Do you think same-sex couples can live by those values?

Do you think they even want to?
Posted by Be The Change You Seek]]> Wed, 12 Dec 2012 01:24:02 -0800 The Stranger Posted by dwightmoodyforgetsthings]]> Mon, 10 Dec 2012 10:13:12 -0800 The Stranger Whoops, you've got some No True Scotsman on your post. Lemme just clean it up.
So, Traditional Heterosexual Marriage has no room for domestic abuse, eh? Did you know that until 1850, no state in the Union had outlawed wife-beating? And if a married man, previously keeping his wife with honor and respect, has a bad day and beats her, does their Traditional Heterosexual Marriage suddenly evaporate? Is it somehow transmuted into some other kind of marriage?
Posted by venomlash]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 21:41:49 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:42:51 -0800 The Stranger
we stole that from the irritating guy who did the ten videos Danny posted before the election.

THM is a package of values and behaviors. Most people won't hit them all but the more the better and if you mess up you brush yourself off and get back on the program.

THM:
>kids prepare themselves for marriage before they marry (or make a baby); get an education, save yourself for marriage, don't screw up with drugs/alcohol,etc.
>once married you sacrifice for your spouse (and kids when they come)(although it really isn't a 'sacrifice'; whatever you give up for the family is trite and meaningless compared to having a family, something you soon realize). you respect and honor your spouse. abusers are not doing THM.
>monogamy. you don't cheat. (if you cheat you pray your spouse will take you back and you never cheat again. if your spouse cheats you forgive them. once.) and you don't get to negotiate cheating with your spouse. it isn't for them to decide. because monogamy is integral to THM. Danny evidently doesn't get it (we are being charitable- it gets it but doesn't give a shit) and has no business being "married" and fouls the institution with his filthy pretenses.

Posted by the best things in life are free]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 18:17:20 -0800 The Stranger Of course I didn't give you anything to work with. I don't believe I have so far, but you insist on trying to prove your inane points anyway.
@106: Got any evidence to back that up, sucker?
Posted by venomlash]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 17:16:43 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:51:18 -0800 The Stranger
it is guaranteed that telling kids homosexual pairings are Just As Good as THM will lead to them spouting nonsense shit like junior is there...
Posted by did you read that mess? you should be ashamed.]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:26:43 -0800 The Stranger
you aren't even trying.
Posted by ....you really didn't give us anything to work with here....]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 16:22:56 -0800 The Stranger Also, what Ken said.
Posted by venomlash]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 15:30:34 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:50:59 -0800 The Stranger
women in THM are much less likely to be victims of domestic violence than women cohabitating with a man.
And their children are likewise much much safer and better cared for.

as we have said, THM is a great thing for society, filling a role no other institution can , performing vital functions.
v.i.t.a.l.

the health of a society will directly correlate to the health of its THM.
Posted by raise a glass to THM......]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:36:18 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 14:14:52 -0800 The Stranger think Ken, think!
you girls claimed that THM was an inherently abusive relationship and we found it ironic in light of the fact that homosexual relationships are more violent and abusive...
Posted by .....remember now?]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 13:46:46 -0800 The Stranger You said that gays are more likely to abuse than straights. Not true.
@98: Oh, it's not particularly pertinent to issues of marriage equality. It's just false and defamatory, and I prefer to attack Alleged's fallacious arguments, rather than conceding shit he makes up.
Posted by venomlash]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 12:07:38 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 11:50:28 -0800 The Stranger
are suggesting that as your hypothesis?

and the studies do show abuse among lesbians.

why are gay men more abusive than hetero men?
Posted by think carefully]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:32:26 -0800 The Stranger Posted by venomlash]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:24:29 -0800 The Stranger this is so weak we can't bring ourselves to bitchslap you,
it just wouldn't be sporting.

"Gay men...are significantly more likely than their straight counterparts to have suffered recent IPV; in both cases, men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators. "

Sit down, we don't want to blow your mind.
Q- What men have been recently abusing these gays?
A- Their gay partners.

In fact, Dr Zahnd has a personal message for you, Junior:

"This is not a group commonly associated with violence," said the study's lead author, Elaine Zahnd, a sociologist and senior research scientist at the Public Health Institute, which partners with the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research in conducting the California Health Interview Survey. "These findings should cause us to reconsider our assumptions about the root causes of violence. Dumbass."

Posted by the Scarecrow suggests you pay the Wizard a visit...]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 10:05:27 -0800 The Stranger
I'm not trying to sweep anything under the rug. I'm actually looking at the data set with an open mind to see what it indicates, rather than trying to shoehorn it into fitting my prejudices. What do the CHIS 2007 data say? Well, queers of any sort are more likely to have been abused at some point. (Whether by same-sex or opposite-sex partners isn't known.) If you look only at rates of recent abuse, there's no disparity between straights and gays/bisexuals. If you look at gay and bi men and women in their individual categories rather than lumping them together, though, some patterns emerge. Gay men and bisexual women are significantly more likely than their straight counterparts to have suffered recent IPV; in both cases, men are overwhelmingly the perpetrators. As I said before, these data you keep blathering on about say very little about gays and a good deal about men.

And sure, men are more violent than women. Of course, the Constitution of the United States guarantees equal protection under the law to all citizens, so discriminating against men would be unconstitutional.

@93: Homophobia and homosexuality...only the former is contagious.
Posted by venomlash]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 08:37:24 -0800 The Stranger
homophobia is a disease, dude.

Sort of like homosexuality.

(except homophobia,
unlike homosexuality,
was never recognized by mental health professionals as such....)

if you see anyone with homophobia be sure to keep your distance.

you don't want to catch it!

you don't want another disease with 'homo' in it.

It might confuse the nurses at the institution where you live.

plus,
if you caught homophobia after you already had homosexuality;
you would be,
like,
totally scared of yourself!

which,
come to think of it,
if you ever look in a mirror you probably already are.....
Posted by does the baboon have a name?]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 06:01:58 -0800 The Stranger
Ignorant Bitch....

Your linked study was first published Sept 2012.

@77 is from April 2010.

@73 is from Aug 2009.

And there are other studies above from sources other than UCLA.

The UCLA think tank studying homosexual issues has for 5 years been documenting the greatly elevated levels of social pathology in that community.

Danny and the FanBoys want to sweep it under the rug.

So much for SCIENCE!.

Shame....

.

(if men are so violent why would you want to put children in a household with two violent men and no women to watch out for the children? It sounds like a strong case against gay adoption.)
Posted by we think of children every time we read one of your posts]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:52:15 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Rob in Baltimore]]> Sun, 09 Dec 2012 05:44:16 -0800 The Stranger I've explained this to you plenty of times before. The UCLA-affiliated study (yes, singular; I defy you to show me another recent UCLA study presenting similar results) shows only that homosexual/bisexual men and homosexual/bisexual women should be treated as disparate groups when looking at IPV. Additionally, it presents supporting evidence that men are more violent than women (since queer men and women in the study tended to have been abused by men).
Why are you so dead-set on stopping gays from getting married, when you should be protecting people from us guys? Think of the children, man.
Posted by venomlash]]> Sat, 08 Dec 2012 19:17:30 -0800 The Stranger