http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/12/01/gun-crazy-country-murder-suicide-and-the-nfl Comments On: Gun-Crazy Country: Murder, Suicide, and the NFL by Charles Mudede en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Tue, 21 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Tue, 21 May 2013 07:00:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss Posted by Let's all shoot each other on 3]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 15:21:21 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Lissa]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 08:25:38 -0800 The Stranger
Of course, as Urgutha has pointed out multiple times, it makes you unable to hold a rational conversation, which means gun owners can safely ignore you. There are plenty of nuts out there, to be sure. And plenty of criminals. But when you equate all of us to that, merely because we enjoy owning something you're afraid of, you come across as no more rational than every homophobe who thinks all gay men are pedophiles. And then you lose.
Posted by NateMan]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 03:46:50 -0800 The Stranger What does a medical doctor have to do with gun safety?

Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Mon, 03 Dec 2012 02:28:26 -0800 The Stranger
It is never enough for you. Never enough guns. And every person killed or injured you turn into a justification to yourselves about how dangerous the world is for a defenseless stud like you.
Posted by cracked]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 22:52:39 -0800 The Stranger
Honestly, do you have any idea how many people die in this country through one form of stupidity or another? No, you don't. Maybe you should, though, before you do the drama queen schtick.
Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 15:27:11 -0800 The Stranger Posted by delirian]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 14:05:58 -0800 The Stranger
'Gun control' also keeps losing because the Democrats remember what happened in 1994 with the Clinton 'assault weapons' ban. It was an ineffective, feel-good measure that cost them many seats in congress and might have cost them the majority.

For many gun owners, it's important enough to make them highly motivated, single-issue voters, whereas with leftys it's just not that important. That makes for some very bad election calculus... and last time I checked, the Democrats aren't entirely oblivious to math.
Posted by CPN]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 13:13:41 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Fifty-Two-Eighty]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:51:51 -0800 The Stranger Posted by NateMan]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:46:50 -0800 The Stranger Posted by NateMan]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:44:11 -0800 The Stranger
Thanks for proving my point. I rest my case.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:43:25 -0800 The Stranger
oh boo hoo, I put emotion into it. I repeat: it's immoral, stupid assholes like you, who are responsible for deaths like these. because it's you who stop us from having sensible gun laws. call it monkey drivel, because you can't argue with the facts that japan, germany ireland england wales all those nations with strong gun limits and controls DO IN FACT HAVE FAR FEWER GUN DEATHS and do NOT have the crime plagued neighborhoods we have here.

see, but you feel threatened if someone calls you out, so you call names like monkey drivel. how stupid and fucking childish. you moron, nateman.

btw even the reforms you propose can't be implemented because of all the gun nuts in this nation. including you.

"@50,
Yeah, but your emotional outburst isn't helping your cause either." tough shit. morons like you, are responsible.
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What gun laws would you suggest? A total ban + an extra helping of anger and cursing? Yeah, that'll convince rational people..." oh please forgive me sir, for disrespcting you. you who constantly say lies like gun control doesn't work, when in fact it does, I refer AGAIN to japan canada england wales ireland germany etc etc etc. tell me the last time a major sports figure over there shot his woman and himself. name ONE TIME. can't. cuz they just don't got the gun violence we got here, obviously. as to what laws? don't need a total ban, nice red herring there, I repeatedly mention real world examples, take the cue clueless gun nuts, england does not totally ban guns, about 4% own guns, this includes mainly (a) hunters but for (b) handguns ahem, you need like local police permission and it's hard to get. so some of you gun nuts with real need, could still have guns. most -- you don't need them. so in a word, registration and tighter limits and near bans. specific enuf for you now?
"Both sides have extremists" no fail wrong, MY SIDE pointing to about nations iwth a population of a bout 500 million where gun controls clearly work is the mainstream; american gun nuts are the only extreme.

"and it seems those are the only people who get their shit printed or aired. Emotional rants about how awesome guns are or how terrible guns are are useless and will never convince anyone of anything." actually in fact my side, the side of rationality and morality and reason, is largely silent, silenced by the gun nuts side; and we continually silence ourselves from saying what I say; so I say it now, it's morons and immoral imb eciles like you, who are responsible, as you continually cloud the facts by denying (a) gun controal works and (b) claiming we can't get it here legally. Both of which are big, fat stinking lies. legally, have you asked yourselves why it's legal for us to ban you from owning tanks and nukes? you personally. you, nate, do you claim a right to own a personal nuclear device? didn't think so. well it's an arm isn't it, so in fact you admit you don't have a right to bear any arms you want to, big duh. keep repeating never has changed never will, your strange psychological devotion to guns is what's creating the situations in which women like this one get fucking killed. YOU are responsible, all of you.

I, for one, would be happy to listen to and debate reasonable gun control; unfortunately, no reasonable people can be heard over the shrieking from the extremists on either side.

So nothing will change.
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Posted by logic plus emotion. Deal.]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:35:32 -0800 The Stranger "You have been winning the fight against reasonable gun laws for 30 years and yet you still whine like victims."

Who's whining?
I'm telling you that you keep losing.
I'm telling you why you keep losing.

"I'm not even an activist ... reasonable restrictions ... stroking ... 30 round clips ... black youths scare you ..."

And, again, that is why you keep losing.
You cannot focus on the issues.

"And you think you are the victim..."

No.
The victim in this case is his wife.
Focus on the issues.
What, SPECIFIC, law would have prevented this?
You can't answer that without trying to ban all handguns.
Since that will not happen, you do not have a rational response to this.
Yet you will rant on about it.
That is why you keep losing these debates.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:28:01 -0800 The Stranger
By and large, the world of many in industrialized nations is almost gun free if they choose it to be so. In general, guns are absent from neighborhood streets, we have control on the media we watch and, in theory, the wars we get involved in. If there are guns in your life, it's likely because you or a family member wanted these guns to be there.
Posted by anon1256]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:27:57 -0800 The Stranger
@52: Never has changed, never will change. But the monkeys will keep on flingin'. I too would happily consider rational gun regulations; immediate background checks, national database, etc. On the other hand, if it vexes mooks like #50 for gun laws to remain lax, I'm all for it. I am, after all, occasionally small-minded.
Posted by NateMan]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:20:47 -0800 The Stranger
I'm not even an activist and I can go on and on here about reasonable restrictions you have worked so hard to block, while you sit there stroking your 30 round clips while deciding which weapon to bring in the car with you in case some black youths scare you by playing music too loud in the parking spot next to you.

You already won your policy war, but it is NEVER enough for you, so the ease of shooting and getting away with it gets easier and easier. The gun nut laws are beyond anything ever envisioned by even the majority of NRA supporters in 1970s and getting crazier all the time. Shouldn't the wife's mom have been packing? Wouldn't that have made it better? Sheesh. And you think you are the victim...
Posted by cracked]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:13:56 -0800 The Stranger
I'm not even an activist and I can go on and on here about reasonable restrictions you have worked so hard to block, while you sit there stroking your 30 round clips while deciding which weapon to bring in the car with you in case some black youths scare you by playing music too loud in the parking spot next to you.

You already won your policy war, but it is NEVER enough for you, so the ease of shooting and getting away with it gets easier and easier. The gun nut laws are beyond anything ever envisioned by even the majority of NRA supporters in 1970s and getting crazier all the time. Shouldn't the wife's mom have been packing? Wouldn't that have made it better? Sheesh. And you think you are the victim...
Posted by cracked]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 12:08:17 -0800 The Stranger Yeah, but your emotional outburst isn't helping your cause either.

What gun laws would you suggest? A total ban + an extra helping of anger and cursing? Yeah, that'll convince rational people...

Both sides have extremists, and it seems those are the only people who get their shit printed or aired. Emotional rants about how awesome guns are or how terrible guns are are useless and will never convince anyone of anything.

I, for one, would be happy to listen to and debate reasonable gun control; unfortunately, no reasonable people can be heard over the shrieking from the extremists on either side.

So nothing will change.
Posted by Urgutha Forka]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:20:23 -0800 The Stranger "Killing someone with a knife takes real effort, outside of expertise or a fluke accident."

Only if they are evenly matched in physical strength and agility.
This instance was a football player killing is wife. Hardly the same in physical strength.
Like I posted earlier, this seems to be one of the rare occasions where a knife would have had the same effect.

And that is why the gun control crowd keeps losing.
You take a specific example and you generalize it until the generalization (and your claims) contradicts the specific example.
Posted by fairly.unbalanced]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 11:16:56 -0800 The Stranger
we outlaw you owning mustard gas. we outlaw you owning nuclear arms. which are clearly arms. and clearly useful to deter a nazi style government oppressing us, right? yet you do not have a right to own them. hmmmmm.

we outlaw driving on the left side of the road. we outlaw not sending your kids to school. we outlaw divorce without judge supervision of divisionof assets. we outlaw fraud, we outlaw fucking pension funds that are not maintained with certain ratios. stop with your fucking stupid innate liberty argument -- it's a loser. you aren' teven free to not be hooked up to the sewer system.

it's people like you who are responsible for this woman's death. because you and your drivel about guns has created a society with about 200 million guns all the fuck over, leading to gun deaths all over, and EVERY nation that tightly limits or controls guns or has fewer like enlgand france japan canada ALL of them HAVE MUCH LOWER RATES OF GUN DEATHS so it fucking works, you nuts. in general. and the impact is also this: only in america are there huge swaths of many cities plagued by violence to the extent you cna't let your kids outside to play. NOT in germany, NOT in canda, NOT in japan, and NOT in france. NOT in anywhere that has tightly limited or restricted guns or put in other forms of gun control. At the same time, the nations that are plagued by violence and I would include mexico brazil fucking afghanistan and somalia? they either dont'have the laws or don't enforce any laws. you want to see our future, go look at fucking juarez, it's you fucking idiots that are taking us there, we can't even have a normal discussionwithout you prompting some gullible fool to say "oh this case? it's a mental illness situation here" as if it's not the fucking COMBINATION of mental illness, drugs, jealousy, human nature human mistake or innate racism when claiming some black kid in a car had a shotgun PLUS EZ ACCESS TO GUNS RIGHT AT YOUR HAND that makes for al these gun death. stop being such stupid mother fucking fools.
Posted by gun nuts to blame]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 10:33:53 -0800 The Stranger
For me, 'gun control' is not the answer. A complete and total ban on firearms couldn't have prevented yesterday's tragedy.

Gun control is like trying to reduce drunk driving by making it tougher for sober people to own cars.
Posted by CPN]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 10:27:47 -0800 The Stranger Posted by NateMan]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:31:14 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:26:39 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Ken Mehlman]]> Sun, 02 Dec 2012 09:23:15 -0800 The Stranger