http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/11/21/boeing-says-it-will-deny-equal-pension-benefits-to-married-gay-couples Comments On: Boeing Said It Will Deny Equal Pension Benefits to Married Gay Couples by Dominic Holden en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Thu, 23 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Thu, 23 May 2013 22:45:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss I just found this blog and have high hopes for it to continue. Keep up the great work, its hard to find good ones. I have added to my favorites. Thank You.
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Posted by roger1122]]> Sat, 18 May 2013 03:46:01 -0700 The Stranger Posted by kitschnsync]]> Fri, 30 Nov 2012 00:07:01 -0800 The Stranger Posted by JohnsonTJ]]> Tue, 27 Nov 2012 08:29:35 -0800 The Stranger
I'm by no means much even of a layperson when it comes to labor and benefits law, but it would be interesting to see what other large companies (and unions) have done in states where marriage and civil unions are legal.

One has to wonder whether Boeing takes the same pseudo-legalistic approach towards its filings with the SEC, the Defense Department, and the Federal Aviation Administration.
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Posted by Gary D]]> Sat, 24 Nov 2012 12:18:27 -0800 The Stranger
Corporations aren't in and of themselves evil. The majority are small businesses protecting their personal assets from their business liabilities and their business assets from their personal liabilities. The larger ones are just more prone to abuses in the mistaken idea they need to reward their stock holders above all other considerations.

As to the issue at hand in this article, the Boeing rep giving vague answers doesn't discount what the Union rep says happened. It may be this type of negative response to what is happening in negotiations is what is needed to turn things in favor of equality for all their employees. True, nothing is final until negotiations are over as the Boeing rep said. And that phrasing alone lends credit to the Union reps reporting. The Boeing rep didn't deny the account, he dodged it.
Posted by Neni]]> Sat, 24 Nov 2012 10:29:55 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Joseph112]]> Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:20:07 -0800 The Stranger Posted by Buy Airbus America!]]> Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:05:24 -0800 The Stranger
REALLY?

Posted by Gene Harper]]> Sat, 24 Nov 2012 07:05:16 -0800 The Stranger Posted by yup]]> Sat, 24 Nov 2012 03:06:21 -0800 The Stranger Posted by RecoveringTexan]]> Sat, 24 Nov 2012 01:29:24 -0800 The Stranger Posted by BearNecessity]]> Fri, 23 Nov 2012 21:50:52 -0800 The Stranger Posted by jerryw242]]> Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:17:25 -0800 The Stranger
Unless hes out of cellphone range. I'm guessing this idiot negotiator is not going to have the best holiday weekend.
Posted by dak7e]]> Fri, 23 Nov 2012 09:57:53 -0800 The Stranger
Slavery persisted not just because whites thought blacks were sub-human. It persisted because the Southern economy absolutely depended on slavery. There was an economic incentive to keep the status quo. I'm sure at the time business people who were trying to stay in business said "Emancipation isn't covered by federal law so I can keep my slaves."

To say that "federal law says we don't have to do this" isn't an answer. But if they are going by the book, can we change the book?

So is the next step to address federal law?


Posted by Let's Go]]> Fri, 23 Nov 2012 08:10:15 -0800 The Stranger
Article IV of the constitution, known as the Full Faith and Credit clause of the constitution states, basically, that each state in the union will recognize the legal judgments and proceedings of all the others. This has a great deal of relevance in business and law. For example, if a small business incorporates in one state, but grows to do business in multiple states, it does not have to reincorporate in each one. If a defendant is a lawsuit loses and is ordered to make payment to the plaintiff, the defendant cannot avoid paying by moving to another state. The Full Faith and Credit clause has also traditionally been applied to family law, so that if a couple marries in one state, that marriage has been recognized in all the others, as well as by the federal government. DOMA is in direct conflict with this aspect of the Full Faith and Credit clause, and may be unconstitutional on those grounds. You can read more about FF&C here: http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionar…

DOMA is also thought to be in direct conflict with the fourteenth amendment, which, among other provisions, stipulates that each state should provide equal protection to all citizens under the law. The fourteenth amendment, passed to help insure the citizenship of freedmen during Reconstruction, also served to help advance civil rights laws in the 20th century. http://encyclopedia.thefreedictionary.co….

DOMA allows states to discriminate in apparent violation of the fourteenth amendment, because a state like Louisiana will more or less be expected to recognize the Washington state marriage of Bob and Mary, but is allowed not to recognize the Washington state marriage of Adam and Steve.

My husband and I live in Louisiana, and although we are legally married, Louisiana does not recognize our marriage, meaning, among other things, that while all of my heterosexual colleagues are allowed to carry spouses and children on the employer-provided health insurance, I cannot add my husband to my policy. Since his employer does not provide health insurance, this is a major issue in our lives, one which DOMA specifically enables, and one which is in apparent violation of both the Full Faith and Credit clause and the fourteenth amendment.

DOMA also forces other, more progressive states to discriminate against their own citizens and creates special sub-classes of discrimination. After December 9, for example, when same sex marriage becomes practice in Washington, the federal government will recognize some marriages performed in Washington, but not others, just as it now recognizes some marriages performed in Massachusetts, Connecticut, New York, Vermont, and Iowa, but not others. This has direct consequences for income and estate taxes, for social security survivor benefits, etc. etc.

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Posted by sissoucat]]> Fri, 23 Nov 2012 02:22:01 -0800 The Stranger
And federal laws banning pot might overcome some states' recent decriminalization rulings, but that's a case in which one law directly contradicts another. I thought that federal law said that states had to recognize marriages performed in each other. I'd like to know more about this.
Posted by DRF]]> Thu, 22 Nov 2012 16:52:23 -0800 The Stranger
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Posted by caucapino4u]]> Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:05:15 -0800 The Stranger
Dear Boeing, What is final is the first impression... and from what I read here you are willing to use legal same sex marriages as a bargaining ploy. That kinda makes ...

me sick....like I just ate a Chick-Fil-A sandwich without knowing it. Yeah Chick-Fil-A came around but ONLY after it affected the bottom line. So while your negotiations are not "Final" yet the initial distaste in my mouth is.

Email this guy with your thoughts: Doug Alder
Media Relations
206-544-1814
doug.alder-jr@boeing.com
Posted by mjh55404]]> Thu, 22 Nov 2012 15:03:07 -0800 The Stranger
Dear Boeing, What is final is the first impression... and from what I read here you are willing to use legal same sex marriages as a bargaining ploy. That kinda makes ...

me sick....like I just ate a Chick-Fil-A sandwich without knowing it. Yeah Chick-Fil-A came around but ONLY after it affected the bottom line. So while your negotiations are not "Final" yet the initial distaste in my mouth is.

Email this guy with your thoughts: Doug Alder
Media Relations
206-544-1814
doug.alder-jr@boeing.com
Posted by mjh55404]]> Thu, 22 Nov 2012 14:59:38 -0800 The Stranger
Contact Boeing at their Investor's page, use their Twitter feed, use their Facebook links, and don't give up.

Make a big splashy mess and make it a sh1tstorm of hurt for them in all media - WSJ, WaPo, NYT, anywhere.

They'll give in faster than you can imagine. Disrupt their product launches. The media cost of all the negative publicity will make them bend.
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