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      <![CDATA[@44: &gt;mfw Bailo just attributed the Republican strategy to the Democrats<br />
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      <![CDATA[The beauty of this situation is that if no one does anything, it resolves itself. The unwise Bush Tax Cuts expire for everyone and we go back to the more reasonable tax rates of the Clinton era, these are the rates that created a record budget surplus. Everyone is saying the debt is a bad thing, so lets pay it off. Lets fully fund the things we need while we are at it. I don't see the Republicans becoming reasonable, nor making needed compromises. However, this automatic course of action needs no support from them.
        
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      <![CDATA[Democrats ultimately have a single goal...steal from the middle class to feed subsidies to their wealthy backers.<br />
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Obama will hem and haw and say that the GOP "made him do it" but ultimately he set it up so that he will be taxing average people a whole lot more.<br>
        
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      <![CDATA[The trick here is to get something to pass that everyone can claim they got a good deal. That responsibility's going to mostly lie with Boehner.<br />
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I predict they will get some minor tax increase on the wealthy, possibly in the form of removing deductions rather than lowering rates, and will mostly kick the can down the road.
        
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      <![CDATA[Linda J-love the Guardian article! Painfully true! Obama wins! Now how do we make nice to those nasty right-wingers?
        
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      <![CDATA[@38 - I'm pretty sure any Democrat who's been paying attention fully expects Obama to cave once again. Myself, I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised. <br />
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Full throttle towards the fiscal cliff is the only viable choice when the other side has forgotten the definition of "compromise."
        
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      <![CDATA[How can households in the $150-200K/year bracket get away with paying no taxes? Seems only the rich and lower classes pay nothing, it's the upper middles who get screwed.<br>
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@39 sadly most Sloggers wish that was true. Luckily Obama is a centrist and threw the far left under the bus long ago. Just wait until be makes his Grand Bargain.
        
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      <![CDATA[[sarcasm]Don't you know that Obama's evil socialist minions are going to be too busy taking away everybody's guns and collaborating with the U.N. invasion to worry about minor issues like taxes. [/sarcasm]
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm sure this has been posted b4 b/c the Dems are in deep denial about their party and its caving disease, but once more (into the breech):  <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2012/nov/07/obama-progressives-left-entitlements" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[While they're at it, the Dem's should reinstate Medicare's ability to negotiate drug prices with Big Pharma. Bush and the fuckin' R's gave that golden gift away in his first term. As a candidate, Barack Obama promised to repeal a prohibition on Medicare negotiating directly with drug companies over prices for Medicare recipients, but then during the Obamacare trench war, he pissed backwards. I'll believe the D's have sprouted some balls when the rubber meets the pedal to the metal.
        
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      <![CDATA[@34: Exactly. This allows House Republicans to save face because they can claim it wasn't them raising the taxes on the rich. And of course they're not going to obstruct Obama when he comes around in January and asks them to reinstate the tax cuts for the bottom 98%, because even though it's going to drive them crazy to do something Obama wants, it'd absolutely destroy them to face their constituents in two years and have to answer for why they refused to cut taxes on the middle class.<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[The Democrats "laid down the law" right before the last round of do-or-die budget negotiations. And then they caved and punted, as usual.<br />
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The last election didn't change much. It affirmed the status quo. And the status quo is that Murray and Co. will talk tough and then cave, like Democrats do.
        
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      <![CDATA[THis plan works for the Republicans too; they can then say that they stuck to their guns and never voted to increase taxes.  <br />
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The cuts expire and then they can return to tax cutting for the middle class and claim VICOTRY FOR THE FORCES OF DEMOCRATIC FREEDOM!!!<br />
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It works for everyone. I hope senators are smart enough to see it that way.
        
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      <![CDATA[30<br>
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maybe.<br>
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but look for Obama to do it before this term is up....
        
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      <![CDATA[Good for Ms. Murray.  That's exactly how Dems should be thinking.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think the dems realize it's now or never to be the country's party.
        
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      <![CDATA[Sarah dear, I should have said "remain solvent".  What I meant was that we would be able to cut the Social Security contribution considerably and remain solvent because of the money being put in by removing the earnings cap. <br />
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And troll dear, no: the retirement age should not be increased. That's an idiotic idea. If people want to work past 65, that is fine, but if it were widespread it would be a disaster for innovation, young people, and the economy. Thanks in part to Social Security, retired elderly people are a net positive to the economy - particularly tourism.<br />
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Real economic populism could ensure the party that embraces it pretty much permanent control of both Congress and the White House.
        
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      <![CDATA[@ 9 You're an idiot. President Obama can't "pass" anything. PS The House of Representatives is controlled by Republicans who will not pass ANYTHING that this President proposes.<br />
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@ 25 Nice synopsis Catalina. Deluge the White House with POSTCARDS why don't we. MILLIONS of 'em.<br />
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I am very proud of my US Senators. Let the ass kicking of Congressional Republicans begin.
        
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      <![CDATA[The only people who can complain about their taxes are the upper middles: $100-200k a year. We're the ones getting screwed.
        
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      <![CDATA[25<br>
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2.) Eliminating the cap is good, but leave the percentage alone.<br>
And raise the retirement age by a year now and gradually raise it more over time.<br>
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      <![CDATA[Catalina, the Social Security system is in no danger of becoming involvent.  That is a lie promulgated by the Republicans and has been "fact-checked" many many times over the last several years.<br />
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Your suggestion about rolling all healthcare programs into one program is good; however, the Health Care Reform Act is what we're dealing with now, and it's the only improvement we're realistically going to get for quite a while.  And it is quite an improvement.   This is not a revolutionary country; its an incremental society.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Catalina Vel-DuRay]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Here's Auntie Catalina's plan for a solid recovery. <br />
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1.) Let the tax cuts expire.<br />
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2.) Eliminate the Social Security earnings cap. Make everyone pay regardless of their source of income (dividends, etc). At the same time, cut the percentage people have taken out of their paycheck for Social Security. The system will still become solvent due to the extra revenue, and it will lessen the burden of the expired tax cuts. <br />
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3.) Roll all of the government healthcare programs (Medicaid/Medicare/tricare/etc - everything but the VA) into one program, and start a process of lowering the eligibility age by five years every five years until universal single-payer is achieved. This will allow the insurance industry to make the necessary changes to exit the health insurance market without chaos or mass unemployment, plus it will blow the job market wide open, as the boomers evacuate themselves from jobs they are only keeping because they need insurance. <br />
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You're welcome, dearies.....<br />
        
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      <![CDATA[Good for Patty. I'm sick of the dems always caving in to the republicans. About damned time the democrats grew a spine.
        
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      <![CDATA[Don't you ever learn? The Dems will cave.
        
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    <pubDate>Sun, 11 Nov 2012 13:51:46 -0800</pubDate>
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      <![CDATA[@Urgutha, there's a glimmer of hope that the republicans may see the damage done them by listening only to their echo chamber. Only a glimmer.
        
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