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      <![CDATA[@17: But banks also helped people (like your mom) to buy houses (like the one you grew up in) -- I wouldn't say that banks primarily "do good" but they do offer valuable services on the way to making obscene profit.
        
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      <![CDATA[Vlad -- I'm not saying Amazon is a better book-buying experience than an independent bookstore. I'm saying that companies that actually provide useful, tangible services are more worthwhile than companies that exist to, like, take away houses (like the one I grew up in) from people (like my mom) screwed over by predatory, abstract banking practices.
        
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      <![CDATA[the mob observation is astute...  some people still are questioning the story amazon is providing even though it seems legit...
        
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      <![CDATA[Chris, your use of the Banking situation in comparing / contrasting Amazon's 'plight' and 'magic' is entirely insulting to those in publishing and bookselling--- and as the former book editor, wherein you were allowed & welcomed into the inner circles of Indie publishing & bookselling, your comments (drunk posting doesn't excuse anything) rankle me even more. Several commentors above have outlined dangers of Amazon's monopoly so I won't retread here... but damn! That was a stupid post...
        
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      <![CDATA[@13: Thank you sir -- I will read up on this later today, possibly while watching a matinee of "The High Cost of Low Prices."
        
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      <![CDATA[Jigae: One framework that business folks use is Porter's Five Forces, a framework created in the 70s by Michael Porter of the Harvard Business School. Amazon, Walmart, Microsoft, and other monopolies enjoy high bargaining power of customers (Amazon is the customer of the publishers). These firms use their high bargaining power to extract favorable prices from suppliers, which helps them cement their cost advantages and creates a barrier to entry for competitors. It's a neat trick if you can manage it. There are other frameworks but Porter's is probably the best known.<br />
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<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive_Strategy">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Competitive&hellip;</a>
        
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      <![CDATA[Christopher, I'm surprised you would be so outraged by businesses screwing around with money and fucking people over. After all, hasn't that been your policy with freelancers for quite some time?
        
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      <![CDATA[But if it made Amazon more money to delist or obfuscate gay books they would and they could because they've become not-quite-a-monopoly, but something frighteningly close to it.<br />
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Like Walmart -- smart economists, is there a word for a business that has so much control over a market that they come to drive and control related industries?<br />
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I think what the incident proves is how dangerous monopolistic power is and why it makes sense to support Sony's eReader or other alternatives to the Kindle. If Amazon has a complete stranglehold on eBooks, which mights be the only kind of book in the not too distant future... well, then we have a problem. This was our wake up call.
        
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      <![CDATA[We are not fooled.<br />
Amazon is a willing tool of Religious Right Homophobic Bigots!<br />
It is a vast conspiracy to oppress gays!!<br />
Everyone is OUT TO GET US!!!
        
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      <![CDATA[I note this morning that, despite Amazon's claims to the contrary, catalog searching and dozens of previous rank-delisted titles are still incorrect.
        
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      <![CDATA[I'm in agreement with #4.  Amazon does remove the "human" element from all transactions of your choosing, and eliminates independent bookstores.  I would imagine that Paul will be slapping you in the face this morning, given that you advocated, if not directly, the use of Amazon for book purchasing.
        
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      <![CDATA[As a former technology worker, I can totally understand how this could happen. A database is only as good as the designer who designed it and, despite the high esteem they hold themselves in, a lot of developers aren't all that hot. <br />
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As far as Amazon driving out the small bookstores and killing the publishers, that's the nature of the world. If it hadn't been Amazon it would have been someone else. Just be glad it happened here in Seattle.
        
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      <![CDATA[@2  What about the children? THE CHILDREN!!!<br />
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A fine point, bravo.  I'm going to stop jerking off to internet porn and go save the world's children.  Thanks for helping me see "the way".
        
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      <![CDATA[Considering that Amazon is largely responsible for the death of independent bookstores (by skimming business from them) and the death of the publishing industry (by forcing them to sell to them at massive discounts if they want to sell their books listed on Amazonopoly), then, yeah, I have a problem with them.
        
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      <![CDATA[Ok, so here's the latest:<br />
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My response to their original "glitch" message:<br />
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Original message: ---- CUSTOMER: Jill ----------COMM ID:buhwbbyf3476826925EMAIL: singingcynic@hotmail.comCOMMENTS: Until you publicly explain how a "glitch" caused such a problem, I am afraid I will still have to delete my wedding registry and my <a href="http://amazon.com/">amazon.com</a> account. Please do so immediately. <br />
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Hello, This is an embarrassing and ham-fisted cataloging error for a company that prides itself on offering complete selection. It has been misreported that the issue was limited to Gay & Lesbian themed titles - in fact, it impacted 57,310 books in a number of broad categories such as Health, Mind & Body, Reproductive & Sexual Medicine, and Erotica. This problem impacted books not just in the United States but globally. It affected not just sales rank but also had the effect of removing the books from Amazon's main product search.  Many books have now been fixed and we're in the process of fixing the remainder as quickly as possible, and we intend to implement new measures to make this kind of accident less likely to occur in the future. Thanks for contacting us. We hope to see you again soon. Please let us know if this e-mail resolved your question: If yes, click here: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/rsvp-y?c=curwrvuf3485019220If">http://www.amazon.com/rsvp-y?c=curwrvuf3&hellip;</a> not, click here: <a href="http://www.amazon.com/rsvp-n?c=curwrvuf3485019220">http://www.amazon.com/rsvp-n?c=curwrvuf3&hellip;</a> Please note: this e-mail was sent from an address that cannot accept incoming e-mail.  To contact us about an unrelated issue, please visit the Help section of our web site. Best regards, RishiAmazon.comWe're Building Earth's Most Customer-Centric Companyhttp://www.amazon.com/your-account ----
        
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      <![CDATA[Jesus H Christ people, how many people on this planet live in miserable poverty and all you can bitch about is how one company made an insignificant mistake surrounding an insignificant part of its business? Get a life.
        
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