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      <![CDATA[Something about the following is buzzing around my temples like a mosquito:  <i>"Yeah, we both have hectic schedules with work and school. We are lucky to see each other once every couple of weeks."</i><br />
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It sounds suspiciously like they didn't even see each other on that date.  Now here she is all mad at him for not making a big deal out of a date on which neither of them could quite manage to clear their schedules out enough to be in the same place at the same time.<br />
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Princess, you admit that you pulled that specific date out of your ass because you figured some date, any date, is better than no date, and now you are manufacturing controversy because he doesn't attach the same significance to that specific date that you think he ought to, based on your declaring it official in the midst of two hectic schedules.  If that constitutes not loving you enough, you will NEVER find love.<br />
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      <![CDATA[Hmm, people are not mind-readers, SHIT. If you presented the anniversary thing as, "Let's set our anniversary for this day in a couple months. It's really important to me that you remember it and do something for me, because I'm feeling insecure about our relationship, and you remembering something that's important to me will be a good signal that you care enough about what I think and feel to make an effort," then you might have a case. If you simply thought the preceding but didn't actually say it, your boyfriend has no reason to think that it's that important, especially if you didn't do anything for him (it's both your anniversary). It's entirely possible that he's feeling like you don't care about him, since you set a date for your anniversary and then didn't do anything! Generally speaking, women are not expected to be the passive objects of action in relationships any more. You need to acknowledge and exercise your own agency, assert what you want (clearly, out loud), and stop waiting for men to read your mind and do things for you. It's not an effective strategy for getting what you want, unless what you want is to feel resentful and create manufactured reasons to complain about your romantic partner to other people.<br />
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I think the responses calling you crazy or stupid are out of line - I know there are cultural factors that socialize this kind of behavior and lead to many women (not just you) expecting men to simply know what's up without articulating it (it can certainly happen in the other direction, but it's much less common). But unless you can get past that, you're going to be disappointed and unhappy in most or all of your relationships. An old Savage Love acronym applies here: OYMSYP (<a href="http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Content?oid=20767" rel="nofollow">http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/Conte&hellip;</a>).
        
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      <![CDATA[This is just average male behavior.  Not always fun to handle, but not worth dumping the guy, because any replacement male would do pretty much the same thing.  Next time just ask ahead of time where he wants to go for dinner on your anniversery.  Then, two days ahead of time remind him you're going to dinner there on your anniversery, b/c that gives him the 2-day oh-shit-I-forgot-to-get-a-gift warning that most average males would need.  As long as he's a great guy otherwise, no need to replace him.
        
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      <![CDATA[As a daughter, let me tell you now that on a *regular* basis (literally, 95% of the time, it's kind of crazy), my mother calls me by my youngest brother's name, and then my oldest brother's name, and then maybe my dad's, and then mine. And only if I correct her. I'm her only daughter and eldest child. I don't take it personally. <br />
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But yes, cut your losses and leave. You are too young to put up with a real human being.
        
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      <![CDATA[Schedule special anniversary sex of some sort - something you don't usually do - on the date. He'll remember.<br />
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I say that as a female-type person who never remembers dates. We quite deliberately got married on April Fools' Day so that we had a prayer of one of us remembering it.
        
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      <![CDATA[@matt @57 sorry mr. wet blanket seandr @44 is FULL of win, you are a humorless old windbag.
        
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      <![CDATA[Dan, that poster story is the cutest thing ever.
        
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      <![CDATA[LW, since you don't see each other that often, maybe the relationship you're now "heartbroken" over doesn't really mean a damn thing to your "boyfriend," who's probably fucking somebody else at his school.
        
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      <![CDATA[BURN! Dan, 1002020349495, LW, 0.
        
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      <![CDATA[@72-  Nicely done.
        
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      <![CDATA[Break up with him.  He doesn't deserve someone like you.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[joybd]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[Methinks the LW is a Bridezilla in training. . .
        
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      <![CDATA[@64.<br />
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Nope. 43's analogy was good. Yours sucks.<br />
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What passive aggressive people need is not understanding from the significant others that they abuse with their anger management problems.  What they need is to be told to knock it off enough times that they do knock it off, or that they get professional help to do so. And to be dumped, if nothing changes.  Stop trying to enable this young woman in conduct and thinking which is not constructive and will harm her future relaitonships and her own happiness.
        
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      <![CDATA[ZOMG - I was gonna shout out a few here, but there is just SO MUCH WIN in the comments.  I think @44 (with the necessary gloss @47) takes it.  My SO got into the "celebrate the day of our first date anniversary every month" kick...I had to blow off a couple to put a halt to that.  One downside of dating younger.
        
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      <![CDATA[I think she's 21, has been dating this guy long enough for the new to wear off, and is feeling insecure about his commitment to her. She's seeing all these other young, hot guys in her social circle who would lavish (and might be lavishing) more attention on her than her boyfriend. Of course, her boyfriend has no reason to pay that much attention to her. They're together and have been for two years! Perhaps his eye, too, has wandered.<br />
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I think she thinks she could trade up and wants him to show her why she shouldn't. So she's creating these tests for him to pass or fail, and since he's failing them, she feels disrespected and wants to dump him.<br />
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Which is probably for the best, because at 21 it's going to take quite a few more years for either of them to mature. What's sad is that in 10 years, she might look back on this relationship wishing she hadn't pushed him; and he might look back on it wishing he'd shown her more affection and commitment.
        
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      <![CDATA[I have to agree with the majority here - this is passive-aggressive, immature BS.  My girlfriend and I have been dating about two years but it evolved over time, with both of us denying it was a real relationship.  For most of that time, we were friends with benefits, at best.  <br />
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I tried recently to suggest that we come up with some arbitrary anniversary date because we really don't have one, but we couldn't figure out how to do it.  Instead, we make random days special.  The night we had that talk, I surprised her with a picnic dinner in the bedroom.  It turned into the perfect night -  but I couldn't tell you the date :)
        
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    <author><![CDATA[Jamie in Pittsburgh]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I'm with 65.  He needs to DTMFA ASAP.
        
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    <author><![CDATA[dwightmoodyforgetsthings]]></author>
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      <![CDATA[I hope you managed to get the boyfriend's email so you can send him a DTMFA message.
        
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      <![CDATA[@43 A better metaphor would be that dogs expect cats to be dogs and refuse to acknowledge that they are not and keep harassing them about it until they get bit in the face. <br />
It sucks that you dated people who were passive aggressive. Everyone has to deal with that at some point whether they are dating men or women, but to lump men together as happy and playful, never understanding why women are so hateful and mean, is ridiculous and telling. Perhaps your issue is you expect your partners to always think like you rather than recognizing they are not and play nice. My cat and dog do it, so can you. <br />
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      <![CDATA[@62 Really? You don't understand? Derp?
        
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      <![CDATA[I don't understand why women expect the men to do everything.
        
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      <![CDATA[Actually, Dan, it's:<br>
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Monday, January 23rd, 1995.<br>
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You missed it again.
        
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      <![CDATA[If you really want him to remember something, Remember Leonard Shelby (and Lisbeth Salander). Have it tattooed, preferably in blue ink, on the inside of his left forearm.
        
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      <![CDATA[Yeah, two-way street.  LW, if you woke him up April 6 with an extra-special anniversary blow-job or the like, and he ignored you after that, you have a case.  Otherwise, STFU.
        
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      <![CDATA[@23: Blank cards are your friends.
        
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