Comments On: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young by Goldy

Comments On: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young by Goldy http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/02/02/wheres-the-money-going-to-come-from-to-fix-higher-education-its-above-my-pay-grade-answers-uw-president-michael-young Comments On: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young by Goldy en-us Copyright 2013 The Stranger. All rights reserved. This RSS file is offered to individuals, The Stranger readers, and non-commercial organizations only. Any commercial websites wishing to use this RSS file, please contact The Stranger. webmaster@thestranger.com (The Stranger Webmaster) Mon, 20 May 2013 00:00:01 -0700 Mon, 20 May 2013 08:30:00 -0700 Foundation http://blogs.law.harvard.edu/tech/rss <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]>
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Michael Baumgartner, (R Spokane) has offered a constitutional amendment that wold require the State "fully fund" higher education. To add to the mix, Senator Baumgartner is running for US Senate against Maria Cantwell!

Of course, Senator Baumgartner claims that we can pay for this w/o raising taxes. It seems to me that the Dems, especially progressives, should support this amendment if only to force the issue of tax reform.
Posted by I am that I am]]> Tue, 07 Feb 2012 00:02:18 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]>
In depth, complex digestion of information about the costs of higher education are most certainly above the pay grade and capacity of main stream media to understand and report. Not a single one of them ever discusses the issue in the detail you did here, for instance. So it isn't helpful to offer the simplistic media (King5, Seattle Times, TNT) fodder for spewing their simplistic gibberish. It distracts from the focus on the institutions they are paid to represent.

Instead we should be all asking the legislature why they are pleased as punch to have won the prize of the most anti-education state in the nation with no incentive to improve the lives of its young people. We should demand to know from the legislators and the gubernatorial candidates how THEY would propose pulling Washington out of the bottom of the barrel in higher education achievement. Because, you know, that IS THEIR JOB for fuck sake.

Posted by lauramae]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 19:19:15 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by ratcityreprobate]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 18:14:16 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by pioneer]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 17:01:46 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> That's silly. If I buy a washer/dryer or a car, I don't care whether the salesperson is paid an hourly rate or a commission: I pay the price I'm willing to pay for the item. The salesperson's pay comes out of that price, but (except for my standard workplace-justice concerns) functionally I don't care whether they get a cut, get paid an hourly wage by the store, or get paid a salary from a corporate headquarters half a world away. The money for the salesperson is coming out of the revenue they bring in to their employer - and one way or another, their employer is paying them.

I suppose your analogy might hold true when the salesperson buys their own stock and operates independently - say, when they're a victim of a pyramid marketing scheme. But in this case, the UW Football coach is paid by the state to operate a state-run enterprise that allegedly brings in more money than it costs. That doesn't make them an independent entrepreneur paying their own salary without using state funds any more than the CEO of a successful publicly listed company is independent of their shareholders' representatives.

Would you say that Parking Enforcement officers are not paid by the city? After all, they probably pay for themselves in fines levied;certainly pay for themselves when you consider how little revenue the meters would bring in with no enforcement?
Posted by Warren Terra]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:52:17 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by Reader01]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:30:39 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]>
Just wondering???????
Posted by sgt_doom]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:19:38 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]>
If believes we need additional tax revenue to help fund higher ed, he should say so. If he doesn't believe we need more revenue, then I suggest he enroll himself in some freshman math classes.
Posted by Goldy]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 16:14:33 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]>
The revenue from concessions, etc., belongs to the UW and thus to the State of Washington. Sarkasian's salary is paid by the UW and thus by the State of Washington. The football and basketball programs like to pretend that they are autonomous organizations affiliated with but not a part of the University, but they are not. A salesman who works on commission is still an employee.
Posted by Fnarf]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:37:29 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Clearly, these aren't the people to turn to for solutions. Their self-interest is too great.
Posted by Sir Vic]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:34:30 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by RonK, Seattle]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:31:41 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by More Pie]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:16:45 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> like this:

Desmond-Hellmann said that she and her leadership team believe that UCSF needs to “make changes to UCSFʼs business model to reach our aspirations of preeminence.” UCSF is looking at options that include:
• Evaluating new and enhanced growth opportunities for UCSF;
• Examining UCSFʼs financial relationship with the UC system; and
• Exploring alternative governance models

(UCSF is unusual in that it is all graduate-level health sciences [no undergraduate], has enrollment of only ~3,000, and consequently gets only about 1% of its total revenue from tuition.)
Posted by rob!]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:12:32 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by keshmeshi]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:07:42 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> so it seemed
Posted by aardvark]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:06:08 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> When last I looked - quite some years ago - the coaches were paid an absurd sum from state revenue - which, yes, includes money paid for tickets, concessions, and television rights - but then got a still-more absurd amount of money from corporate sponsorship: endorsements, television appearances, even for forcing their "student-athletes" to wear certain brands of shoes and other garb. Given how much money they accrue from their position as coach, I've never seen why the school should pay them at all - indeed, the school should charge them a commission on all these wonderful earning opportunities it makes possible for them.
Posted by Warren Terra]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 15:01:31 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]>
All that said, when you write:

Young's total compensation package comes to $802,000 a year

and compare that to:

(Governor Chris Gregoire, by comparison makes $166,891)

You're comparing Young's total compensation - including salary, pension (including a tenured professorship), housing in the President's Residence, a $12,000 auto allowance, and permission to sell his prestige as UW President to selected corporate boards - to Gregoire's base salary, not including housing, pension, or anything else. Young's base salary from the state is $550,000 a year, plus $200,000 a year that he forfeits if he stays less than five years. The proper comparison is $750,000 to $167,000, which achieves all the emotional impact of the comparison you make without being sloppy or erroneous.

PS also note that the total compensation estimate used in the article you link appears to significantly undervalue Young's non-salary compensation, which seems to be at least $150,000 (not $50,000 as the article appears to assert), even before you factor in the rent-free staffed mansion and the tenured professorship. The difference may derive from the article not counting the money paid to the UW President by outside corporate boards, even though it's pretty clear that money is going to the UW President because of their office, and so it could be argued the state should get a big cut of it.
Posted by Warren Terra]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:55:26 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by Goldy]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:28:26 -0800 The Stranger <![CDATA[Re: Where's the Money Going to Come From to Fix Higher Education? "It's Above My Pay Grade," Answers UW President Michael Young]]> Posted by Martin H. Duke]]> Thu, 02 Feb 2012 14:24:15 -0800 The Stranger