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      <![CDATA[And we all know where the Religiopolitical Right's ideal center of <b><i>Amerikanischer Realkultur</b></i> is:<br />
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None other than among the "music shows" down Branson, MO way, replete with sugar-coated conservative propaganda messages and a blatant appeal to especially the so-called "Fundamentals of the Economy" that conservative propaganda just loves idealising in the same stylee as Soviet-era propaganda about "hero workers" selflessly sacrificing their time for the Greater Glory of Communism (coal miner Alexy Stakhanov's exploitation towards such ends easily comes to mind).
        
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      <![CDATA[34, I read the book (haven't seen the movie), and it seemed to me like the problems in their society stemmed not from the government interference (assigned jobs and such) but from the fact that their society had been set up to run on rails, not requiring anyone to think about anything, for a limited amount of time, and when that amount of time ran out, no one had any idea what the fuck was going on or what to do about it.  <br />
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 (Basically, for those that haven't read it, they live in a giant, city-sized bomb shelter underground.  They grow a little bit of food somehow, but the city was stocked with everything they'd need, from canned food to light bulbs and toothpaste.  When the story begins, the supplies have started to run out.  Eventually--spoilers!--some kids figure out that they were supposed to leave the bomb shelter a few years previously, but the instructions for how to do so were lost.)  <br />
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See, the people are living their lives based on instructions handed down to them from a time no one remembers or really understands.  The adults in particular run into difficulties when those instructions no longer fit the actual circumstances of their lives.  <br />
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So, sure, it makes a lot of sense that  the religious right would like that movie.
        
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      <![CDATA[@18: That was actually one of the things I found supremely awesome in Friday the 13th Part 6: in addition to the gloriously outdated 80's fashions and dialogue, it also broke the slasher flick mold by having an overtly sexual heroine who lives.
        
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      <![CDATA[You know Dan, not all Christians lie, not all Christians hate gays.  Lots of Christians just love Jesus and care about other people and go about their lives.  Sounds sort of like you and your family except for all those church activities & the Jesus thing.  Sure some Christians are idiots.  I've met a few idiotic gays in my time as well.  The point is that Christians shouldn't get to make legal policy decisions on your life, nor you on theirs.
        
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Well then, <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/reviews/2008/doubt.html?start=1">don't click here</a>.<br />
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I don't know what you're afraid of, though. The review does a pretty good job of considering the religious questions raised by the film -- which makes sense, since the reviewer probably understands those questions better than a reviewer from the secular press would. Christianity Today also published a very entertaining <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/movies/interviews/2008/johnpatrickshanley.html">interview</a> with screenwriter/director John Patrick Shanley, which certainly went to places none of his other interviews went to.
        
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      <![CDATA[I saw the anti-socialist (or "communist", if you're Ted Baehr) themes in <em>City of Ember</em>.  Bureaucratic nonsense ruining the lives of the people, govt.-assigned jobs, govt. waste, govt. corruption... it was like <em>Brazil</em> for kids.<br />
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@32-  What do you think angels are?  That's right, Alien astronauts from the future.
        
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      <![CDATA[Read City of Ember with my son. If it's an anti-commie book, they managed to sneak that past me.
        
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      <![CDATA[So Dan you made it to Calgary before Bush?<br />
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      <![CDATA[I saw <i>Fly Me to the Moon</i> and it was painfully, insultingly bad.  They even got the physics wrong!  You'd think that in a movie about "real" space travel (okay, it had anthropomorphic flies, but they were hitching a lift on a real space mission) they would take the opportunity to get those details right and sneak in a little educational value.  But nooooo.  <br />
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Aside from that, the racial and cultural stereotyping was shockingly outdated and just plain lazy.  There were black flies with giant afros, the Russian flies were brutes with pointy teeth, the female characters were useless fainting idiots, and the fat fly protagonist wanted to eat all the time.  <br />
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Hell, I saw it for free and I felt ripped off.<br />
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      <![CDATA[Lies, Damn Lies, and The Religious Right.  You can leave out the statistics part.  There are Lies, there are Damn Lies, and there is Religious Right...in that order.  Or...Self Righteous Fuckwits, if you prefer.  <br />
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Jim Burroway over at Box Turtle Bulletin caught a good one from that "gay sniper" ad you posted about the other day.  Went right past me at the time, but it seems that things have gotten so out of hand now that schools don't even celebrate Father's Day anymore.   Can you imagine?  Schools don't even celebrate Father's Day anymore.  And just never you mind that Father's Day is the third weekend in June, when most schools are out for the summer anyway...<br />
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This is how the game is played.  Because fighting for morality, virtue and righteousness is more important then being trustworthy, and telling the truth.<br />
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      <![CDATA[The "truth" is whatever they, in their glorious self righteousness, delare it to be. That's why they spent twenty million dollars on a "museum" that shows Adam and Eve, two fictional characters, dancing with T-Rex. (They wouldn't think of spending that money on starving children). And as for The Wall Street Journal, aren't they just as bad? The point is that we, the believers of truth, depend on you, the defender of truth, to keep us informed. For that I am more grateful than I can say.<br />
P.S. Great video and nice shredding.
        
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Yeah, whatcha up to in Cowtown, Dan?
        
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      <![CDATA[The great RR was never any good at reviewing movies because today's films aren't always mindless fantasies. I'd hate to see Christianity Today's review of <i>Doubt</i>. Yes, the RR will lie, cheat, steal. Remember the Rick Warren meme: "Whatever It Takes".
        
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      <![CDATA[Why is it shocking that the editors of a Rupert Murdoch owned media company would allow conservative lies?  I am shocked that you are shocked.
        
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