Sunday, November 11, 2012

Patty Murray Lays Down the Law

Posted by on Sun, Nov 11, 2012 at 10:13 AM

Coming off a big win as Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee chair, Washington's own Senator Patty Murray flexed her muscles on ABC's This Week this morning, making it absolutely clear to Republicans that if they refuse to raise taxes on the wealthy, Dems would allow all of the Bush tax cuts expire:

"[T]o solve this problem, the wealthiest Americans have to pay their fair share too," she said. "If the Republicans will not agree with that, we will reach a point at the end of this year where all the tax cuts expire and we'll start over next year, and whatever we do will be a tax cut for whatever package we put together. That may be the way to get past this."

GOPers would be wrong to think she's bluffing. President Obama pretty much said the same thing earlier this week, and it's a sentiment that's been building for some time. Even Congressman Adam Smith, who has a reputation as a consensus-building moderate, told the SECB earlier this year that he was done with caving on the Bush tax cuts, and that he would prefer to see them all expire rather than extend them on the wealthy.

And it's great politics. Once the Bush tax cuts expire, Dems get to campaign hard on cutting taxes on the middle class, while House Republicans get to explain to voters why they'll block any bill that doesn't also give the wealthy a cut.

God I hope these post-election Dems are willing to play the game as hard as they're talking it.

 

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Tacoma Traveler 2
Before we start talking of Fiscal Lemmings, we should be concerned with filibuster reform.

The Senate will remain a legislative graveyard so long as you require 60 votes to pass anything, especially now that the GOP has purged all moderates from its ranks. If you must retain this piece of bullshit, at least modify it so someone has to deliver the filibuster the way they used to before LBJ was in office. Stand up and talk until you drop from exhaustion, and once you do, that filibuster is over.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on November 11, 2012 at 10:40 AM · Report this
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In other words, she wants to tax the middle class and Obama will break his promise.

But that was the plot all along.

Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on November 11, 2012 at 10:49 AM · Report this
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Encourage Dems to stick to their guns:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio…
Posted by MissLena on November 11, 2012 at 10:55 AM · Report this
Pope Peabrain 6
@3 He said let's pass the middle class tax cuts now and take them off the table. But Republicans think they can hold the middle class hostage. They never learn.
Posted by Pope Peabrain on November 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM · Report this
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You mean we could return to the tax rates of the '90's when the economy created 22 million new jobs?
Posted by Coconut Bob on November 11, 2012 at 10:56 AM · Report this
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Encourage Dems to stick to their guns:

https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petitio…
Posted by MissLena on November 11, 2012 at 10:58 AM · Report this
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@6

I have excoriated the Republicans directly as well on this for holding my tax cut hostage to some other group as it violates their own pledges.

Both sides are colluding to raise taxes on the middle class in violation of their own promises. Both will blame each other. The hardest working people will get soaked.

If Obama were true to his work, he would have passed his own tax cuts specifically for the middle class.

If the Republicans were true to their word they would have accepted Obama's initial deal.

Both sides are bad.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on November 11, 2012 at 11:09 AM · Report this
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@2 -- I've been saying essentially the same thing about the so-called filibuster for years. Make them stand up there and read the damn dictionary, the telephone book, the encyclopedia entry on the nutritive value of dryer lint, until they're so exhausted they fall in their tracks. And when they stop talking, it's finished. What we have now is not a filibuster, it's just a procedural trick of language to make obstruction sound dramatic. If they want to filibuster, they should by damn work for it.
Posted by Calpete on November 11, 2012 at 11:51 AM · Report this
Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In 13
@6 You are either willfully misreading the article, or are completely clueless to the situation.

Or both.

I could explain... but what's the point. You'll just misread it or bring up some other non-sequitor.
Posted by Some Old Nobodaddy Logged In on November 11, 2012 at 12:08 PM · Report this
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Republicans have been effective in their own arguments of "fairness", spinning tax hikes against the top earners only as unfair, with lots of middle class people aspiring to that top tier agreeing with them.

They still have plenty of cards to play in this game.

What the Democrats will focus on most is trying to stick the blame for any negative outcome on the middle class as being the fault of Republicans. Unfortunately, that will be their first concern, and the middle class themselves will be secondary (as opposed to the other way around).
Posted by Daniel K on November 11, 2012 at 12:16 PM · Report this
leek 15
MissLena, I don't think any petition is going to get too far if it can't even spell the president's name correctly!
Posted by leek on November 11, 2012 at 12:18 PM · Report this
COMTE 16
So, which is it Bailo? As you say, Obama submitted a bill that would have kept the Bush-era cuts for the middle-class, but let them expire for the wealthy - which the Republicans flat-out rejected as you well know. So, Obama has already demonstrated his desire to not increase taxes on the middle-class; how then can you at the same time claim he is "colluding to raise taxes on the middle-class" when he's already proven that's not the case? You contradict your position with your own words.

I've already suggested the tactic Congressional Democrats should adopt: submit legislation NOW that restores tax cuts to the middle-class in the event the GOP continues to sandbag and the Bush-era cuts expire en masse. Put them ON RECORD as being the ones to shoot down either this bill or any compromise package that holds these cuts hostage in exchange for continuing cuts for the wealthy.

Let them whinge and moan all they want about "fairness" or "lack of bipartisanship" or whatever bullshit they want to spew, and then see where that gets them in the 2014 cycle, because the Democrats will use this to nail their asses to the floor. Every national poll I've seen on the matter shows that Americans overwhelmingly want to see the wealthy - most of whom have continued to make money hand-over-fist even during this economic downturn - pay their fair share, which I think most people would agree they haven't. So, leave the choice up to the GOP: either put more money in the hands of the middle-class, the REAL drivers of our economy, or continue to protect the interests of the fat-cats who simply hoard their wealth to themselves and who refuse to use it in any way that is constructive to the overall national prosperity.

Let THEM choose; and reap or suffer the consequences accordingly...
More...
Posted by COMTE on November 11, 2012 at 12:19 PM · Report this
Tacoma Traveler 17
12, Indeed. The filibuster is not in the Constitution or the CJS or any other law-its not required to exist and can be gotten rid of altogether or modified by a simple majority vote at the start of the Congressional Calendar.

Its original intent was to avoid mob rule. In a fit of mass psychosis, the majority of Americans may indeed favor a particular course of action, only to later come to regret it after the mass panic wears off. By having a Senator stand and deliver an oral argument against a piece of legislation, and hold off on voting until that Senator is finished, the idea was that the argument made during the filibuster might be strong enough to overcome the fires of passion with the cool waters of reason.

But since no arguments are made during a filibuster anymore, why do we retain such a thing? It no longer serves as one last chance to make a case for or against before the final vote, and is now just a tool for creating gridliock.

Frankly, I would jettison the filibuster altogether. but if we are going to keep this useless relic, lets at least turn it from being a blunt object with which one party can beat the other with into a tool for making one's point, the way it was originally conceived.
Posted by Tacoma Traveler on November 11, 2012 at 12:21 PM · Report this
Cato the Younger Younger 18
Again, filibuster reform or all of this talk is just that...talk. I'd suggest everyone take some time and write / call the Senate Majority Leaders office this coming week and tell him that filibuster reform must happen
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on November 11, 2012 at 12:23 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 19
Look, for all the blustering, there is absolutely NOTHING the Forces of Far Right Hatred Against America can do to stop this.

Nothing.

So long as Patty and Maria stick to their guns, and the President backstops them, the anti-capitalist pro-mercantilist Bush Tax Giveaways to the Rich ... are gone.
Posted by Will in Seattle http://www.facebook.com/WillSeattle on November 11, 2012 at 12:33 PM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 20
@3 is simply stating exactly what the repubs will scream and cry about for the next few years.

This is how it'll go down:
The tax rates will expire for everyone.
The democrats will attempt to get tax rates reduced for the middle class.
The republicans will reject that unless the wealthy also get lower tax rates.

And the ONLY thing you'll ever hear the republicans say is this: "Obama promised not to raise taxes on the middle class and he broke his promise derp derp derp!!!"

That's how the political parties operate nowadays. Both do it, but republicans are notorious for adopting trite phrases and repeating them inside their echo chambers ad naseum until they become "facts" to their base of simpletons.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on November 11, 2012 at 12:40 PM · Report this
notaboomer 21
hey charlie brown, wanna kick this football?
Posted by notaboomer on November 11, 2012 at 1:06 PM · Report this
Dr_Awesome 22
@Urgutha, there's a glimmer of hope that the republicans may see the damage done them by listening only to their echo chamber. Only a glimmer.
Posted by Dr_Awesome on November 11, 2012 at 1:20 PM · Report this
Reverse Polarity 24
Good for Patty. I'm sick of the dems always caving in to the republicans. About damned time the democrats grew a spine.
Posted by Reverse Polarity on November 11, 2012 at 2:12 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 25
Here's Auntie Catalina's plan for a solid recovery.

1.) Let the tax cuts expire.

2.) Eliminate the Social Security earnings cap. Make everyone pay regardless of their source of income (dividends, etc). At the same time, cut the percentage people have taken out of their paycheck for Social Security. The system will still become solvent due to the extra revenue, and it will lessen the burden of the expired tax cuts.

3.) Roll all of the government healthcare programs (Medicaid/Medicare/tricare/etc - everything but the VA) into one program, and start a process of lowering the eligibility age by five years every five years until universal single-payer is achieved. This will allow the insurance industry to make the necessary changes to exit the health insurance market without chaos or mass unemployment, plus it will blow the job market wide open, as the boomers evacuate themselves from jobs they are only keeping because they need insurance.

You're welcome, dearies.....
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on November 11, 2012 at 2:24 PM · Report this
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Catalina, the Social Security system is in no danger of becoming involvent. That is a lie promulgated by the Republicans and has been "fact-checked" many many times over the last several years.

Your suggestion about rolling all healthcare programs into one program is good; however, the Health Care Reform Act is what we're dealing with now, and it's the only improvement we're realistically going to get for quite a while. And it is quite an improvement. This is not a revolutionary country; its an incremental society.
Posted by sarah70 on November 11, 2012 at 2:53 PM · Report this
Rujax! 29
@ 9 You're an idiot. President Obama can't "pass" anything. PS The House of Representatives is controlled by Republicans who will not pass ANYTHING that this President proposes.

@ 25 Nice synopsis Catalina. Deluge the White House with POSTCARDS why don't we. MILLIONS of 'em.

I am very proud of my US Senators. Let the ass kicking of Congressional Republicans begin.
Posted by Rujax! http://rujax.blogspot.com/ on November 11, 2012 at 3:20 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 30
Sarah dear, I should have said "remain solvent". What I meant was that we would be able to cut the Social Security contribution considerably and remain solvent because of the money being put in by removing the earnings cap.

And troll dear, no: the retirement age should not be increased. That's an idiotic idea. If people want to work past 65, that is fine, but if it were widespread it would be a disaster for innovation, young people, and the economy. Thanks in part to Social Security, retired elderly people are a net positive to the economy - particularly tourism.

Real economic populism could ensure the party that embraces it pretty much permanent control of both Congress and the White House.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay http://www.danlangdon.com on November 11, 2012 at 3:37 PM · Report this
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I think the dems realize it's now or never to be the country's party.
Posted by ng53 on November 11, 2012 at 4:08 PM · Report this
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Good for Ms. Murray. That's exactly how Dems should be thinking.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on November 11, 2012 at 4:40 PM · Report this
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THis plan works for the Republicans too; they can then say that they stuck to their guns and never voted to increase taxes.

The cuts expire and then they can return to tax cutting for the middle class and claim VICOTRY FOR THE FORCES OF DEMOCRATIC FREEDOM!!!

It works for everyone. I hope senators are smart enough to see it that way.
Posted by jnonymous on November 11, 2012 at 5:05 PM · Report this
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn 35
The Democrats "laid down the law" right before the last round of do-or-die budget negotiations. And then they caved and punted, as usual.

The last election didn't change much. It affirmed the status quo. And the status quo is that Murray and Co. will talk tough and then cave, like Democrats do.
Posted by Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn http://youtu.be/zu-akdyxpUc on November 11, 2012 at 5:24 PM · Report this
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@34: Exactly. This allows House Republicans to save face because they can claim it wasn't them raising the taxes on the rich. And of course they're not going to obstruct Obama when he comes around in January and asks them to reinstate the tax cuts for the bottom 98%, because even though it's going to drive them crazy to do something Obama wants, it'd absolutely destroy them to face their constituents in two years and have to answer for why they refused to cut taxes on the middle class.
Posted by Zeusifer on November 11, 2012 at 5:26 PM · Report this
zombie eyes 37
While they're at it, the Dem's should reinstate Medicare's ability to negotiate drug prices with Big Pharma. Bush and the fuckin' R's gave that golden gift away in his first term. As a candidate, Barack Obama promised to repeal a prohibition on Medicare negotiating directly with drug companies over prices for Medicare recipients, but then during the Obamacare trench war, he pissed backwards. I'll believe the D's have sprouted some balls when the rubber meets the pedal to the metal.
Posted by zombie eyes on November 11, 2012 at 5:45 PM · Report this
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I'm sure this has been posted b4 b/c the Dems are in deep denial about their party and its caving disease, but once more (into the breech): http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/…
Posted by Linda J on November 11, 2012 at 5:48 PM · Report this
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[sarcasm]Don't you know that Obama's evil socialist minions are going to be too busy taking away everybody's guns and collaborating with the U.N. invasion to worry about minor issues like taxes. [/sarcasm]
Posted by restlessnative on November 11, 2012 at 6:21 PM · Report this
Free Lunch 41
@38 - I'm pretty sure any Democrat who's been paying attention fully expects Obama to cave once again. Myself, I'm hoping to be pleasantly surprised.

Full throttle towards the fiscal cliff is the only viable choice when the other side has forgotten the definition of "compromise."
Posted by Free Lunch on November 11, 2012 at 7:50 PM · Report this
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Linda J-love the Guardian article! Painfully true! Obama wins! Now how do we make nice to those nasty right-wingers?
Posted by pat L on November 11, 2012 at 9:37 PM · Report this
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The trick here is to get something to pass that everyone can claim they got a good deal. That responsibility's going to mostly lie with Boehner.

I predict they will get some minor tax increase on the wealthy, possibly in the form of removing deductions rather than lowering rates, and will mostly kick the can down the road.
Posted by madcap on November 11, 2012 at 10:56 PM · Report this
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Democrats ultimately have a single goal...steal from the middle class to feed subsidies to their wealthy backers.

Obama will hem and haw and say that the GOP "made him do it" but ultimately he set it up so that he will be taxing average people a whole lot more.
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe http://_ on November 12, 2012 at 4:15 AM · Report this
Prairie Dog 45
The beauty of this situation is that if no one does anything, it resolves itself. The unwise Bush Tax Cuts expire for everyone and we go back to the more reasonable tax rates of the Clinton era, these are the rates that created a record budget surplus. Everyone is saying the debt is a bad thing, so lets pay it off. Lets fully fund the things we need while we are at it. I don't see the Republicans becoming reasonable, nor making needed compromises. However, this automatic course of action needs no support from them.
Posted by Prairie Dog on November 12, 2012 at 7:41 AM · Report this
venomlash 46
@44: >mfw Bailo just attributed the Republican strategy to the Democrats
>mfw I have no face
Posted by venomlash on November 12, 2012 at 12:41 PM · Report this

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