Thursday, May 10, 2012

Every Child Deserves a Mother and a Father

Posted by on Thu, May 10, 2012 at 12:27 PM

Yesterday Obama said that listening to his kids talk about their friends with same-sex parents helped bring him around on the issue of marriage equality. Parenting expert Bristol Palin weighs in:

While it’s great to listen to your kids’ ideas, there’s also a time when dads simply need to be dads. In this case, it would’ve been helpful for him to explain to Malia and Sasha that while her friends parents are no doubt lovely people, that’s not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage. Or that—as great as her friends may be—we know that in general kids do better growing up in a mother/father home.

Studies don't show that kids do better growing up in a mother/father home. Studies show that kids generally do better growing up in two-parent homes—you know, the kind of home that Bristol Palin isn't providing for her child.


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Cato the Younger Younger 1
Can we sell Alaska back to Russia and then maybe no one will pay attention to Bristol "should have been aborted" Palin?
Posted by Cato the Younger Younger on May 10, 2012 at 12:32 PM · Report this
Theodore Gorath 2
Yeah, why bother teaching your kids to be independent, critical thinkers when you can just force your own tired ideas into their heads?
Posted by Theodore Gorath on May 10, 2012 at 12:36 PM · Report this
balderdash 3
That "thousands of years" chestnut is pretty fucking stale, too. Like, really, Bristol, are you invoking ancient Egyptian marriage rites or some shit? Maybe the Duke of Ch'in was really committed to monogamy? Or perhaps she's talking about church-sanctioned rape in the Crusades? That was pretty hetero-friendly.

Sometimes conservative revisionism really gets under my skin. Don't get me wrong, I don't think she knows she's bullshitting here; Bristol Palin has all the wit and creativity of a cinder block. It just wears at my soul living with a political party whose entire platform is a supremely gratuitous example of the Big Lie.
Posted by balderdash on May 10, 2012 at 12:40 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 4
Remember, marriage is between a man, a woman, and their meth dealer.
Posted by Will in Seattle on May 10, 2012 at 12:42 PM · Report this
Vince 5
People have done and thought a lot of things for thousands of years. That doesn't mean a thing. And who the hell elected Bristol Palin expert on parenting? She's a big mouthed idiot like her mother.
Posted by Vince on May 10, 2012 at 12:42 PM · Report this
very bad homo 6
Ah, small town teen mom wisdom!
Posted by very bad homo on May 10, 2012 at 12:44 PM · Report this
seatackled 7
So what's her excuse for how she turned out and why isn't her born-out-of-wedlock child living with both parents?
Posted by seatackled on May 10, 2012 at 12:46 PM · Report this
merry 8
Why are we still paying attention to these people?
Posted by merry on May 10, 2012 at 12:50 PM · Report this
rowan redwing 9
At least some of them are admitting the world has existed for "thousands of years."
Posted by rowan redwing on May 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM · Report this
Fnarf 10
I'm guessing Bristol starts off a lot of incorrect statements with "we know that".
Posted by Fnarf on May 10, 2012 at 12:51 PM · Report this
Will in Seattle 11
@8 danged if I know.

It's like Survivor, I guess. I keep reflexively watching it, but I just don't care anymore.
Posted by Will in Seattle on May 10, 2012 at 12:55 PM · Report this
Every time one of these numbnuts brings up "traditional marriage" I get higher on my soapbox about what "traditional marriage" really is. Ah yes, the good old days when women were property, when the point of a dowery was to provide some value for the bride so she was worth enough to the man she had been promised to in a marriage arranged by their parents.

Yes, please let's talk more about getting "back to traditional marriage."
Posted by daphne24 on May 10, 2012 at 12:59 PM · Report this
I feel like reading that just made me dumber. Like, a fraction of my brain broke off and is now floating around in the brain pan. At any moment the sliver will imbed itself in a critical functioning area and I will die. Because Bristol Palin is dumb as a stump.
Posted by Mer-Mer on May 10, 2012 at 1:02 PM · Report this
balderdash 14
@12, traditional Western marriage has always more or less openly allowed for one or more mistresses for men, as long as they try to keep it kinda quiet. Frankly I'm tired of these radical progressive monogamy advocates trying to change the definition of marriage to exclude my God-given right to fuck my secretary.
Posted by balderdash on May 10, 2012 at 1:04 PM · Report this
BostonFontSnob 15
Fnarf I could kiss you
Posted by BostonFontSnob on May 10, 2012 at 1:05 PM · Report this
The_Shaved_Bear 16
@6 Correction: small town teen SINGLE mom wisdom!
Posted by The_Shaved_Bear on May 10, 2012 at 1:05 PM · Report this
@1 There is no need to insinuate that everyone in Alaska is as ignorant as Bristol Palin.

She may wise up once she gets some more years on her. I'm sure Monika Lewinski is slightly more level headed than she was at twenty-one. As evidence, I offer the fact that she HASN'T been in the news.
Posted by DRF on May 10, 2012 at 1:06 PM · Report this
Allyn 18
We know that in general kids raised by teenaged mothers grow up to be teenaged parents themselves.

We know that in general kids do better when they know that their thoughts matter to their parents.

We know that in general kids that are told that the evidence they experience is less reliable than the ramblings of a woman-hating sociopath with a god complex grow up to be good evangelical Christians.

We know that in general kids do not need to learn any knowledge that is less than thousands of years old.
Posted by Allyn on May 10, 2012 at 1:10 PM · Report this
geoz 19
When is it insanity? Are we there yet?
Posted by geoz on May 10, 2012 at 1:12 PM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 20
"While it’s great to listen to your kids’ ideas, there’s also a time when dads simply need to be dads."

I couldn't agree more. For example, one of those times would be when your teenage daughter moves her boyfriend into your home. But I guess Todd was too busy dealing with his idiotic shrew of a wife to notice what was going on.
Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on May 10, 2012 at 1:15 PM · Report this
Ohh, Bristol, sweetie, go back to doinking dudes on camping trips and leave the talking to the adults. Honestly, I just hear banjos playing in the background every time she opens her mouth. Poor, dumb, brainwashed kid.
Posted by NateMan on May 10, 2012 at 1:15 PM · Report this
Hernandez 22
I wonder what Levi Johnston thinks about the importance of raising Tripp in a two parent home?
Posted by Hernandez on May 10, 2012 at 1:21 PM · Report this
This is what you get from ignorant single teen moms.
Posted by westello on May 10, 2012 at 1:29 PM · Report this
Backyard Bombardier 24
When Bristol talks about raising her kid in a mother/father home, I just assume she means her mother and father, not the kid's.
Posted by Backyard Bombardier on May 10, 2012 at 1:30 PM · Report this
Supreme Ruler Of The Universe 25

It's impossible to get any real information about single parent families because over the past 4 decades the autocracy has enslaved both spouses to be workers all the while devaluing their labor and taking away wealth.

Hence the apparatchiks and robots issue false statements because the tax and social structure is based on dual enslavement, dual "income" (read slavery), and sexual monomorphism (same height, same age)
Posted by Supreme Ruler Of The Universe on May 10, 2012 at 1:36 PM · Report this

That alone drives me nuts. Some maintain that dinosaur fossils are supposed to be a test of the faithful, what then of examples of human civilization, culture, and even religion that predate the supposed age of the universe?

Evidence of bear-veneration and sacrifice tens of thousands of years old in modern-day Switzerland (including a temple); the Catal Huyuk settlement dated to, at the earliest 6000 BCE giving clear signals of religious veneration, incidentally having nothing to do with a hebrew god; etcetera.

I'm surprised no-one else carts out the tenets of gnostic christianity to troll modern-day, American christians--most of all categorizing the god of the bible as the "demiurge" and a weak and wrong god at best, a shattered fraction of a divinity far and away more powerful than itself.
Posted by Central Scrutinizer on May 10, 2012 at 1:38 PM · Report this
Urgutha Forka 27
The only thing Bristol knows for certain is that Abstinence-Only sex ed doesn't work.
Posted by Urgutha Forka on May 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM · Report this
isn't she an unmarried, single mother? irony is totally lost on these people.
Posted by martarose on May 10, 2012 at 1:39 PM · Report this
Geni 29
When, oh when, are we going to stop publicizing it every time one of the Wasilla Hillbillies opens their pie-hole and opines on some matter on which they clearly know nothing whatever? Every mouth-fart of the Caribou Barbie clan is not news.
Posted by Geni on May 10, 2012 at 1:56 PM · Report this
We're lucky on the east coast. Bristol Palin's voice no longer carries this far. I'm sorry for you Washingtonians having her relatively close by.
Posted by Pablo Picasso on May 10, 2012 at 2:20 PM · Report this
The irony is so large it has become invisible. I can totally see her spouting this off on Fox without a hint of irony from anyone.
Posted by floater on May 10, 2012 at 2:54 PM · Report this
BEG 32
That was way too easy, Dan. Shootin' fish in a barrel, there.
Posted by BEG!/browneyedgirl65 on May 10, 2012 at 2:56 PM · Report this
Original Andrew 33
Imagine how gratuitously stupid and lacking in basic self-awareness you’d have to be to write that, and then realize that the Palins are even dumber than that. (shudder)
Posted by Original Andrew on May 10, 2012 at 3:09 PM · Report this
kristen pawling 34
You and Terry have a kid, right? He's doing just fine (from what I've heard you say about him). A gay couple I know has twins, I know a lesbian couple with a 17 year old and a 1 year old, all of those kids are great and well adjusted and wouldn't change who their parents are for the world. This "kids need a mother and father" thing is bulshit.
Posted by kristen pawling on May 10, 2012 at 3:10 PM · Report this
Its so charming when hypocritical individuals of very modest experience and success are condescending when offering parental advice to far more mature, accomplished and role-model-worthy parents.

And hey, if the advice also happens to encourage children to judge the parents of their classmates--for no sound reason (we're not talking about expressing disapproval of meth-cookers)--how cute is that?
Posted by Functional Atheist on May 10, 2012 at 3:13 PM · Report this
"That’s not a reason to change thousands of years of thinking about marriage."

EXACTLY. Who wants some cattle, sheep, and my vagina? Talk to my dad and you guys can sign the paperwork and file them with the DOL. Have fun with that.
Posted by erly on May 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM · Report this
@17 Thank you.
Posted by AKTheresa on May 10, 2012 at 3:27 PM · Report this
Posted by ObeyTheFist on May 10, 2012 at 3:47 PM · Report this
@6 Lets keep in mind she may be a small town teen mom but this is not what all small town teen moms think
I am a single teen mom and I strongly disagree with Bristol.
as others have said the thousand years thinking means nothing. People used to (and some still do) believe that you should pray away the tumors instead of going to a doctor. And she doesnt have a mother father household. Also studies have show gay couples are often older, finacially stable and have two parent households.

And someone needs to tell Bristol Palin to not let god change her mind about stuff
(I assume she is religous)
Posted by mykoolaid58 on May 10, 2012 at 4:33 PM · Report this
just a pube off the old cunt isn't she?
Posted by Whitey's Conspiracy on May 10, 2012 at 5:05 PM · Report this
Really, 40? Necessary to sling about the gendered insults?
Posted by clashfan on May 10, 2012 at 7:01 PM · Report this
stinky 42
Then there's thousands of years of wisdom on the subject of human slavery. How dare we have gone against that stood-the-test-of-time shit?
Posted by stinky on May 10, 2012 at 9:41 PM · Report this
HellboundAlleee 43
Thousands of years of one-man, one woman? Wow, Bristol really knows her anthropology enough to make it up!
Posted by HellboundAlleee on May 10, 2012 at 10:26 PM · Report this
Is the unwed teen mum an expert on child rearing now? President Obama doesn't need advice from any of the Palins.
Posted by Patricia Kayden on May 11, 2012 at 4:55 AM · Report this
sissoucat 45
Check the Alaskan anti-Palin blog Immoral Minority :…

Bristol Palin is not her blog's writer. She's totally unable of writing such long sentences. She is probably doesn't even read them. It's written by her ghostwriter Nancy French, with probable control from Bristol's mother.

Please remember that as a minor, the real Bristol Palin was publicly paraded in an overpadded grey dress in 2008 to shoot down any inquiries about the real parentage of Trig Palin - "born" from an obviously unpregnant Sarah Palin, and at the time rumored in Alaska to have been born out of Bristol Palin.

The real Bristol Palin was further seen on "Dancing with the stars" where she was the sole contestant ever to gain weight, so much weight that her belly button was noticeably shooting out in her later costumes - and as every woman who's ever been either fat or pregnant knows, belly buttons don't shoot out from fat alone. In my book, her parents allowing her to be seen in public in her second/rumored to be third pregnancy also counts as intentional public humiliation - remember Margaret Chow's remarks at the time that Bristol Palin was pressured to do the show by her mother.

Even though media did turn a blind eye to the pregnancy, no caring parent would agree to jeopardize a teen's reputation for their PR schemes... The result of this recent post on Bristol's pretend blog is that the brand "Bristol Palin" is once again publicly and thoroughly humiliated - but the brand "Sarah Palin" stays blameless. Way to be used...
Posted by sissoucat on May 11, 2012 at 8:16 AM · Report this
While I suspect it may actually be true that, all else being absolutely equal, children do better with a mother and a father than they do with 2 mothers or 2 fathers, the increment is a small one. Much smaller than, say, the difference between having educated vs relatively uneducated parents, well-off parents vs poor parents, 2 parents vs one parent, and so on.

And we don't go around making blanket statements that poor people shouldn't have kids, high school dropouts shouldn't have kids, and so on. So, yeah, more irrationality from the "Christian" right. (Christians like that give sane Christians like my mother a bad name...)
Posted by Melissa Trible on May 11, 2012 at 10:14 AM · Report this
gosh we thought Danny was over his BristolCrush......
Posted by pussywhupped on May 11, 2012 at 10:30 AM · Report this
Dan probably doesn't read the comments here, but every time Bristol Palin (or even Sarah Palin at this point) is quoted, I like to remind the author that repeating her quote is not helping people to stop listening to her... if not for this posting I would have forgot she even existed. Now she's back in my mind's eye and I have a new reason to hate.
Posted by Thats like, just your opinion man on May 11, 2012 at 12:45 PM · Report this
My favorite SNL line ever comes from Tina Fey doing Sarah Palin: "I've always believed marriage is a sacred institution between two unwilling teenagers."
Posted by other coast on May 11, 2012 at 1:05 PM · Report this
@46, actually not so! Several studies have shown that kids of gay parents turn out just as well as do their peers. The strongest measure is two adults who are either biological *or* legally adoptive parents.
Posted by clashfan on May 11, 2012 at 8:36 PM · Report this
sissoucat 51
@48 I agree with you about Palin fatigue, but... these people must be exposed for what they are (manipulative grifters) in order for them to lose their lethal influence over the not-too-bright-but-heavily-armed citizens of USA. Sowers of hate must be exposed for the hypocrites they are, in order to discredit them to their audience.

Media won't touch the subjects pertaining to them...

There's a book out there, by a Alaskan prostitute named Ms Tripp, who was M. Palin's mistress, describing him as running a prostitution ring in Alaska and using it to blackmail politicians or oil clients. If it's not true, why hasn't he sued her yet ?

Mrs Palin never disclosed Trig's birth certificate, nor did she sue Andrew Sullivan or others for reporting their doubts about her being the biological mother of that child. If she really was, she could have silenced or sued them, why didn't she ?

Bristol Palin was visibly pregnant during DWTS, hid in Arizona for months just after the finale, had every contestant sign NDAs (the only time such measures were taken during DWTS), and yet no baby was produced... But everything her ghostwriter does whenever this issue resurfaces is complain on how media pick on physical appearance.

...And today, out of the blue, her ghostwriter just followed her homophobic post by a DWTS "fat" post ! How coincidental ? To be sure, it feels like they have been reading my post above and have felt unable not to respond to it... I didn't know Wasilla would read and respond !
Posted by sissoucat on May 11, 2012 at 11:35 PM · Report this
The entire family has ZERO sense of irony! Is it like being colorblind? What causes it? A research opportunity.
Posted by Mary Mary Why You Buggin on May 12, 2012 at 10:57 AM · Report this


Posted by the numeral Several on May 12, 2012 at 3:27 PM · Report this
venomlash 54
@53: And how many studies have shown a significant difference between homosexual and heterosexual parenting quality?
3-0 is still a perfect record, numbnuts.
Posted by venomlash on May 12, 2012 at 5:45 PM · Report this


please post them.

cause the 2 that danny keeps dragging out don't say what he claims they do...
Posted by Zero≠Several on May 13, 2012 at 11:27 AM · Report this
venomlash 56
@55: The two that Dan referenced in this post actually DO back him up, providing preliminary evidence that homosexual and heterosexual couples parent at about the same level.
Posted by venomlash on May 13, 2012 at 3:35 PM · Report this
I did say "slightly", and "all else being equal".
Posted by Melissa Trible on May 15, 2012 at 10:11 PM · Report this

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