Monday, April 30, 2012

So How Did the Killing of Osama bin Laden Go Down, Exactly?

Posted by on Mon, Apr 30, 2012 at 12:40 PM

A year later, news organizations are still in the dark about certain details. If you read Nicholas Schmidle's piece in The New Yorker about the killing of bin Laden last August, you may think all the details have been nailed down, but CBS News believes (and has been hawking) a slightly different set of details.

According to Mark Follman, writing in Mother Jones: "You don't have to be a conspiracy theorist to be still scratching your head about the end of Osama bin Laden."


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@ #13 - re-read my post. Greenwald lost any credibility by embracing Ron Paul and not having the backbone to say he was embracing Ron Paul. Of course you may be a rabid irrational Obama hater as well, and if so, then by all means enjoy his articles. Basically he's pandering to people who hate Obama, and passing himself off as the beacon of light and truth.
Posted by Slog Tipper David on May 1, 2012 at 1:26 PM · Report this
malcolmxy 21
Their conspiracy about thr gulf of tonkin turned out to be true. Sometimes people engage in these things because the pieces don't add up.
Posted by malcolmxy on May 1, 2012 at 11:04 AM · Report this
Catalina Vel-DuRay 20
Generally spaking, People engage in conspiracy theories because their own lives are so dull. (Although I do think there's more to both of the Kennedy Assassinations than meets the eye.)

Osama Bin Laden is dead. I don't care how it happened. If you want to talk deaths of horrible people, I think the story of the Hitler bunker is much more interesting. Lots more booze and sex.

Posted by Catalina Vel-DuRay on May 1, 2012 at 7:29 AM · Report this
malcolmxy 19
Yeah...I don't know who else to vote for, and the more I've read about Stein, the more I find her to fit with my positions on all the issues that matter to me.

I've gotten a bit lazy on the whole carbon neutral thing, and I can't go vegetarian, no matter how hard I've tried in the past (pork chops taste gooood...bacon tastes goooood), so I'm unsure if I fit in with the Green Party overarching ethos, but what are ya gonna do?

Obviously, she's not gonna win this election, but the federal matching funds could be a pretty huge boon for 2016 for her, or another GP candidate.

The party should really focus on a senate or some house seats that are in play so that y'all can get some momentum, though. This ain't New Zealand. The party has no meaningful, positive brand recognition at the moment. You need that before you can hope to win a large scale national election.
Posted by malcolmxy on May 1, 2012 at 12:14 AM · Report this
Oh, look, a little bit of more truthful information finally surfaces…

As a federal court prepares to rule on a challenge to Sirhan Sirhan’s conviction in the Robert F. Kennedy assassination, a long overlooked witness to the murder is telling her story: She heard two guns firing during the 1968 shooting and authorities altered her account of the crime.

Nina Rhodes-Hughes wants the world to know that, despite what history says, Sirhan was not the only gunman firing shots when Kennedy was murdered a few feet away from her at a Los Angeles hotel.

“What has to come out is that there was another shooter to my right,” Rhodes-Hughes said in an exclusive interview with CNN. “The truth has got to be told. No more cover-ups.”

Her voice at times becoming emotional, Rhodes-Hughes described for CNN various details of the assassination, her long frustration with the official reporting of her account and her reasons for speaking out: “I think to assist me in healing — although you’re never 100% healed from that. But more important to bring justice.”


(Special thanks to:

Keep in mind that the most honorable medical examiner, Dr. Noguchi, refused to sign off on that forensic investigation.
Posted by sgt_doom on April 30, 2012 at 7:15 PM · Report this
@7, Clayton the claymation non-brain,

And you, it is most obvious, never served in the military and know nothing of marksmanship and rifles, and certainly even less about misinformation and disinformation.

According to ballistics and rifle experts, nobody shot JFK given the "evidence" they were presented with.
Posted by sgt_doom on April 30, 2012 at 6:56 PM · Report this
@13, malcolmxv,

A special thanks to malcolmxv for his cogent and lucid comments; Greenwald, unlike Obama who has yet to give any fucking indication he knows a DAMN THING ABOUT THE LAW (I've never been concerned about any birth certificate, but by this time I seriously doubt any and all legal background, given his actions and remarks to date! ! !), is a constitutional law expert and an honorable man and has, as malcolmxv stated, broken many and many an insightful story.

Truly, Dr. Jill Stein, who will be in town this week as the Green Party candidate, is America's last hope where any political system is concerned.
Posted by sgt_doom on April 30, 2012 at 6:52 PM · Report this
@11, Vince the unknowing one,

I'm just glad we have a president with brains and gumption.

Exactly what part of destroy habeas corpus, due process and human rights appeals to you, sonny?

Now, let's play 20 questions for Vincey's sake, shall we?

What president appointed that fellow who was responsible for firing Harvard's first Black-American female Ph.D. in mathematics?

What president was responsible for the firing of a civil service person, not even a presidential appointee, and a stalwart supporter of the little people, Shirley Sherrod, Black-American female?

What president went on national television proclaiming his support of the firing all those Black-American teachers from that high school in Chicago (thankfully, an honest judge overturned their mass firing as unlawful termination)?

What president has been responsible for a large number of "preemptive arrests" (same as Adolph Hitler did early on in his administration --- look it up, jack! !)?

I'd go on.....but anyone with a minimum complement of neurons should have already figured this out by now.....
Posted by sgt_doom on April 30, 2012 at 6:48 PM · Report this
“And a Man to be Admired”

Rachel Maddow’s descriptive phrase of the vile Dick Cheney might not sit too well with family and friends of those people who were thrown off the tops of buildings or otherwise murdered during the Cheney/Bush administration:

John J. Kokal (killed on 11/07/2003), an intelligence analyst with the State Department’s Bureau of Intelligence and Research – a vocal critic of Cheney’s claims that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction;

Paul Sanford, journalist and attorney (killed 12/29/2006) – another vocal critic who also questioned White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan on why the outing of Valerie Plame’s CIA status should not be considered an act of treason; and,

Dr. Gus W. Weiss, a senior intelligence planner, former National Security Council official, vocal critic of the Iraq War, killed on 11/25/2003.

Colonel Ted Westhusing, West Point professor who was in Iraq investigating then Carlyle Group-owned USIS for fraud and human rights abuses, supposedly died from a “self-inflicted gunshot wound.”

During the timeframe Col. Westhusing was investigating, $8.7 billion went missing somewhere between the New York Federal Reserve Bank where monies were kept on account (FRBNY chairman: Timothy Geithner), the Iraqi Trade Bank (JPMorgan Chase’s contract managing director: Daniel Zelikow, Timothy Geithner’s best friend), and the Export-Import Bank and the C.P.A. (the originating points of those missing oil monies).

The chair of the Export-Import Bank during the money’s disappearance, Philip Merrill, would later be found dead in the Chesapeake Bay, with a shotgun wound to his head, his body weighed down with an anchor.

The top financial guy at the C.P.A. was Bush appointee and career Goldman Sachs guy, Reuben Jeffery, later to assume the CEO position at Rockefeller Financial Services, their previous CEO having naturally committed “suicide.”

Gary Webb, investigative journalist and author of Dark Alliance: the CIA, the Contras, and the Crack Cocaine Explosion --- an exposé of the Bush family’s alleged involvement in drug trafficking --- died on 12/10/2004 from two gunshot wounds to his face, ruled a suicide (suicide by multiple gunshots to the head is highly, highly unusual --- normally after the first shot the individual is in no condition to continue).

Posted by sgt_doom on April 30, 2012 at 6:42 PM · Report this
malcolmxy 13

Glenn Greenwald is a former (pretty highly paid, from what I understand) lawyer who specialized in Constitutional Law (just like Obama was), and he has broken more of the most important stories revolving around the subversion of the Constitution by Obama AND Bush in the last 6 years than all other news outlets, combined.
Posted by malcolmxy on April 30, 2012 at 3:08 PM · Report this
malcolmxy 12
Well, it didn't take 40 minutes, it took 25. When they were planning the mission, it had an expected completion time of 20 minutes. This is per Leon Panetta, just after the assassination took place.

Even now, with time to prepare, when discussing the assassination mission, Panetta stumbles through the series of steps that would have needed to have taken place for bin Laden to have been captured and secured in prison so that he could have been interrogated and put on trial.

For some reason, the video that I watched that day with Panetta is no longer on Youtube (or, I can't find it, and I distinctly remember watching it...I may have saved a copy and will search it out)

They called it a capture/kill mission, but even Panetta said two days ago that it was always likely that bin Laden would be killed.

There is no evidence that he resisted in any way. For all we know, he was a crazy fucker who claimed responsibility for the WTC to advance his own cause, which had nothing to do with the event.

I seriously doubt that's the case, but what would it have hurt to question him and find out, and also find out some of the hierarchy of Al-Queda, should that organization even still exist as a formal terror club?
Posted by malcolmxy on April 30, 2012 at 3:06 PM · Report this
Vince 11
Whatever. This debate will last the century. I'm just glad we have a president with brains and gumption. Something we lose if Romney should win.
Posted by Vince on April 30, 2012 at 2:53 PM · Report this
see also: Aaron Swartz' public records research, resulting in the U.S. Government claiming that records of the midnight raid were lost.
Posted by Phil M on April 30, 2012 at 2:13 PM · Report this
I'm still scratching my head over how much excruciating detail became public so quickly.
Posted by RonK, Seattle on April 30, 2012 at 2:12 PM · Report this
The two versions of events that the Mother Jones story is painting as soooo divergent as to require some kind of further explanation, are actually remarkably consistent as far as descriptions of combat operations go. Both have the seals entering the room with Osama and 3 women, two women are moved out of the way, one lunges at the Seals and is moved aside and then Osama is shot in the head and chest. Why all the hang up on who exactly fired the shots and who these women were? It doesn't really matter does it?
Posted by longball on April 30, 2012 at 2:04 PM · Report this
And that moon landing? Totally fake! They did it in a movie studio!

And Lee Harvey Oswald did not kill Kennedy all by himself; it was a wide-ranging conspiracy that included the FBI, the CIA, Vice-President Johnson, the Mafia, the Cubans and New Orleans homosexuals!

Thank God that somebody is finally telling the truth!
Posted by Clayton on April 30, 2012 at 2:03 PM · Report this
Glen Greenwald is a hack and a joke, and obviously has a deep seated rabid hatred of Obama that ruins his writing. He not so long ago tried to support/defend Ron Paul, while not having the backbone to actually own up to what he was doing. He cannot be taken seriously.
Posted by Slog Tipper David on April 30, 2012 at 1:54 PM · Report this
Posted by cheakamus on April 30, 2012 at 1:19 PM · Report this
Oh please. And Elvis lives.
Posted by tacomagirl on April 30, 2012 at 1:03 PM · Report this
Ah, that word!! I hate that word. I changed it entirely.
Posted by Christopher Frizzelle on April 30, 2012 at 12:49 PM · Report this
Please. Media are; not media is.
Posted by Citizen R on April 30, 2012 at 12:47 PM · Report this

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