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That article is most decidedly NOT at WaPo.
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The link is from the Washington TIMES you fucking idiot. Do you seriously not understand the difference?

Have fun voting for anti-vaxxers and other ignorant pieces of shit.
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The Washington Times is a daily broadsheet published in Washington, D.C., United States. It was founded in 1982 by the founder of the Unification Church, Sun Myung Moon, and until 2010 was owned by News World Communications, an international media conglomerate associated with the church.
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Yeah, this is the nutty, right-wing, Moonie-owned Washington Times, and her comments clearly were twisted out of context.

She still makes me wanna hurl, though.
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@2) the story is fucking everywhere...
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There's nothing wrong with loving your country, warts and all.
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@5 Then link somewhere reputable!

But once again you're too fucking lazy to do your job as a journalist and do basic research. You know, like reading the name of the newspaper at the top of the web page! Your wiki page says that you teach at the college level, did you let your students get away with this shit as well?

And again, how does it feel throwing your lot in with every tinfoil wearing asshole who fight against things like public vaccination and fluoridation of water? Do I really need to tell you which parts of our population benefit from those measures the most, and which candidates actively fight against them?

I'll give you a hint: it wasn't the right who successfully fought off fluoridation in Portland just a few years ago.
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it doesn't matter whether you vote for her or not, the women will and they choose the president.

she's trying to stroke the "independents" who are dumb enough to still support the Iraq war crime. make them feel like their not utter rubes, even tho they are. their vote counts as much as yours.
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they're not. not their. I know better...
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@2) actually, i was wrong. the story has been twisted by the right. but my decision not to vote for dems came a week ago and over the handling of the situation in isreal. there was also this: http://www.slate.com/blogs/weigel/2014/0…
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That'll show 'em, Charles. When you start losing at board games do you tip them over and then lock yourself in the bathroom while you cry?
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So when Elizabeth Warren is running for Prez, you are going to abstain? Blanket pronouncements about future behavior really cramp your style, you know, in the future.

Next election, enjoy voting for the presidential equivalent of GoodTime SpaceGuy or whatever his name is.
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10) Then add a correction to your post instead of silently changing an absolutely fundamental part of it? Or just take it down and slink away??
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I'll vote Liz over Hillary, but prefer them on the same presidential ticket!
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I wish I could never read another Mudede post. Sadly I invariably read the posts without checking the author, and then by the end of the first paragraph I realize that I've been Mudeded again. By then it's 50/50 whether I scroll down in disgust at the time that has been wasted or sit there transfixed as if by some gruesome accident that you just can't tear your eyes away from.
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Obama succeeds when he is Bush. Obama fails when he is not Bush. This is why first term Obama sucked, but second term Obama wins. Hillary is the new Bush.

My review of Picketty appears today:

A man falls asleep in 1987 and wakes up in 2014. He reaches for his IBM Selectric III but finds the ribbon cracks and falls to pieces, so he goes outside and all around him, he sees change, most of it economics. This is the analysis of Picketty, a man who lives in a country which, while egalitarian, has produced nearly zero of the world's new technology...


http://www.amazon.com/review/R2WXYN3IPN5…
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10) Still waiting for "A previous version of this post sourced this quote from The Washington Times as from Washington Post"
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@11) I actually, warren will never make it through. so i do not have to worry about that.
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@15 get this greasemonkey add on and never see a Mudede post again! http://userscripts-mirror.org/scripts/sh…
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@11 - With all due respect, "Losing at boardgames" is hardly a parallel to the thorough and bipartisan Legislative deference to the rich and the rich only. The poor & middle-class have literally no say in Congress. Why should we vote and supply them with false legitimacy?
Presidential popularity contests, while exciting, don't change the pro-corporate/pro-rich policies one whit either. The executive isn't even all that powerful.
Obama wasn't selected by us, Geo W. certainly wasn't, and neither will be Hillary. All their media posturing is so much fakery to buoy the emotions of the hoi-poloi into coming up with moderately convincing election counts.
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@10 Charles.

You can't tell the difference between the Washington Post and the Washington Times? Jesus.

You're becoming like one of my crazy old Aunts who forwards me emails about Obama being a seeeekrit muslim spy and is afraid she'll be magically abducted over the internets.

Piece of advice. Please, for the love of god, at least try - TRY - to post sober before noon.
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People who don't vote are idiots.
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@10 I support your decision, Charles. I don't vote at all, but I have the beautiful excuse of not being a US citizen. You're not a financial conglomerate, a pharmaceutical megacorporation, nor a beneficiary of the military-industrial complex defense contracts. Why continue to pretend you have a say in any major election?
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@19 THANK YOU!
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My sentiments exactly.
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I'm voting for Hillary. If you read the article she was referring to a very specific Bush initiative to fight AIDS in Africa.
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@21, I honestly never heard of washington times. i also never heard of 50 shades of gray. it happens.
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Completely disregarding this silly article, I am with you Charles in only voting for far left wackos for president.

I almost did it for Obama's first term but my friends convinced me to buy into the myth and give the Democrats another chance. After four years of continued corporate welfare, an expanding surveillance state, torture and illegal murder of civilians I wish I hadn't made that symbolic gesture of supporting a Democrat.

Related: Senate passes resolution in support of Israel 100-0. Libertarian hero Rand Paul laments the resolution does not go far enough.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/se…
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Charles: How does the Slate link @10 factor into your argument? The article is about how whites support Clinton over Romney more than Obama over Romney. Are you giving up on Dems because people are (apparently, according to these particular polls) racist? How does ditching Democrats change that? What's the connection?
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@16 its baffling that you seem to think anyone gives a shit about your opinions.
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@19. Very useful. Thanks.
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Four words:

Ralph Nader.
Bush v. Gore.

That is all.
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Treacle dear, the " the thorough and bipartisan Legislative deference to the rich and the rich only" exists in part because most of the electorate doesn't vote.

Part of that is because of laziness and/or stupidity, but the left has to own up to its increasing number of litmus tests for candidates. You have to hand it to the "conservatives" (most of whom really aren't, but they don't understand the concept well enough to know better): All one of their candidates has to do is to make some dumb statement about abortion or immigration, and they've got a base. On the other side of the aisle, a candidate has to try to be everything for everyone to establish any sort of base.

As for third parties, I'd have a lot more respect for them if they did something more than show up every four years with a candidate who is usually condescending scold (Nader) who campaings on the theme of "you don't deserve me"

Hillary Clinton certainly portrays herself as an amoral person who would do anything to get a vote, but she will certainly be better at important things like civil rights and judicial apporintments than whatever sociopath the republicans put out there.
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@11- The board game comparison doesn't really work. Politicians should earn our votes with something a little more substantive than "I'm not quite as bad as the other guy."

I just reread "So Long and Thanks For All the Fish" by Douglas Adams and this passage springs to mind: https://www.goodreads.com/quotes/162557-…
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@33: Don't worry, it will continue to happen again and again. Mudede can't find anyone he likes to vote for, so he lets the moneyed class and their tools make the selection for him, then uses the results as justification for not voting.

Guess what, you purist assholes, no one gives a shit about you if you don't vote, and that's why politicians don't give a shit about the young or the poor. Black folks in Mississippi don't have to worry about a tea party senator because they voted. Not voting doesn't solve the problem.

And if you can't figure out the difference between Al Gore and George W. Bush then you deserve George W. Bush as president for life.
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50% or more already don't vote, and no one gives a crap about them either - because they don't fucking vote! The powerful are happy that you don't vote, why on earth would you add to their happiness?
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@18) Still waiting for "A previous version of this post sourced this quote from The Washington Times as from Washington Post"
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@33- The Nader vote didn't lose the election for Gore.

Gore lost the election all by himself. There are far more people who didn't vote than who voted Green. Those people were Gore's for the having. Gore could have convinced some people to vote Democratic instead of Green. But he didn't. The milquetoast moderate right approach doesn't draw people.

Nader brought in people who wouldn't have otherwise voted. The Democrat-as-GOP-lite politics of the last few decades are just driving voters away from the polls.
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@16. It's Piketty, not Picketty.
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@37- So if that 50% was doing what Charles said he wanted to do (vote for the leftist hippies) then life would pretty awesome, wouldn't it?
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So a few other issues with refusing to vote for Democrats.

1. They won't give a shit about you if you refuse to vote for any of them. You might think they already don't give a shit, but what policies do you like that the Republicans support? Can you name even one?

2. SCOTUS nominations. A 5-4 decision doesn't have to feel like a punch to the gut.

3. You're throwing your lot in with crazies who don't support basic public health concerns. The folks who are fighting for better wages and civil rights are awesome, but the tinfoil wearing nutjobs who confuse the uninitiated about vaccines and the like are causing serious, preventable harm.

At the very least listen to a newborn with whooping cough before you support some asshole like that. You understand what a lack of basic public health does to poor and minority communities. Criticize the Dems all you want, but don't support something worse.
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I also forgot to add: start publicly supporting alternative voting schemes. First past the post is why we have to chose between the best of two bad decisions. Some form of instant runoff voting allows for much more choice without worrying about splitting the vote.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-run…
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@41 "and if there are no such options, I'm not voting."
Vote for anyone you want in the primaries. Then bite the bullet and vote for the lesser of 2 evils if your candidate doesn't win. Not voting out of some misguided belief that "this will show 'em" is ridiculous. Hard to imagine the world wouldn't be a better place if Gore had been president instead of Bush. We have a system that's by design very difficult to move, hoping that some savior candidate of your dreams is the answer is, again, stupid.
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@ 39, it was enough of a factor that discounting it is dangerous. Remember, Nader received 90,000 votes in Florida, and it's safe to say that many thousands were people who would have voted for Gore but "wanted to send a message." I know - I toyed with the idea myself, and it was a hot topic on the boards at the time. These weren't just the ones who stay away from the polls when it's just GOP and Democrats. In conclusion, without Nader Gore would have safely carried Florida.
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Honest to god, Charles, you couldn't demonstrate your lack of intelligence any more thoroughly than you've done here. How do you manage to hang onto your job? Doesn't TheStranger have anything like editorial supervision these days? Or are you the token wild card like D Saunders is for the S F Chronicle?
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@34 FTW, Thank you Catalina for a dose of reality.
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Your vote won't make any difference, but making the case to liberals that they too should join the non-voting majority?

Don't forget that you can both vote for a candidate and work against his/her policies, however emotionally unsatisfying that may be. I would urge you, as you work on the longer piece, to please spend more of it on the "democracy is not just about voting" angle, which is great, but keep your reckless vote-throwing philosophy to yourself.
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@34 - Hm. I'm not at all sure that the "'Legislative deference to the rich' exists in part because most of the electorate doesn't vote."... It appears to me that this country was founded by rich men with rich men's interests, and that political hierarchy has not changed since. Efforts to the contrary have not altered this arrangement.
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@35 We don't have much of a choice until we can pass something better than "first past the post". One votes for the lesser evil over the greater because of the split vote issue. Ignoring this problem would result in worse outcomes, not better.
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Great! The perfect formula to give us another Shrub! Just what the country needs! Sliding off the cliff while the handful of relatively sane people engage in a purist circle-jerk (having left the purist purges for the extreme teabaglican morons).

God forbid you should have to dirty your hands or tarnish your moral and ideological purity and make a difficult decision (lesser of two evils)...the whackadoodles on the right will be happy to make it for you.
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George W. Bush brought out my patriotism too. In light of his execrable job as president, I resolved to be politically active to fight against any recurrence of his failed, corrupt, and imbecilic policies.
The aggression of Nazi Germany united much of the world. Something good can come from something thoroughly awful.
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Treacle dear, the " the thorough and bipartisan Legislative deference to the rich and the rich only" exists in part because most of the electorate doesn't vote.


Exactly. People like Treacle get exactly what they deserve.
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I honestly never heard of washington times. i also never heard of 50 shades of gray. it happens.
This from a journalism teacher? Really?
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@45- Weirdly they did send a message, but the Democrats decided to interpret "we want progress" as "Keep moving right." When the GOP gets attack from the Right, they move right. When the Democrats get attacked from the Left, they move right. If no one votes for a third party, then we'll keep being stuck with the crappy pair we've got. Now it's better to start with State and local offices (winning a presidency is pretty pointless if you don't have any legislative backing.) but throwing away the idea of a new party because Al Gore couldn't motivate an electorate is a terrible, terrible idea for the long term.

We can try to invade the primaries, but the Democratic establishment really, really doesn't want to work with the left at all.
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@ 55, can I get a concession for my point? Or an argument against it? You're going off on a tangent.
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Replace "Democrat" with "Republican", and some of you (especially Charles) sound exactly like a lot of purist Tea Party folks. That's some good company to keep.
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"in isreal"

" I actually, warren will never..."

Can't you even proof your comments?

"I honestly never heard of washington times."

Then don't quote media who are completely unknown to you.
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"I'm working on a longer piece to explain my reasons for not supporting my the Dems anymore"

Yet another nonproofed comment.

And it really doesn't matter to anyone who you'll vote--or not vote--for.
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Jesus Christ, I love ya Charles but you need to lay off the sauce when you respond in the comments section.
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60) sarah70 is right, but i was doing too many things at once when i wrote those comments. tuesdays, i'm putting out a paper and blogging at the same time. but i will take care from now on to write comments only when i have the time to clean the writing.
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@61 I was puzzled when you first posted this silly rant, and actually look forward to your promised longer version of this silly rant. Then I remembered that you didn't grow up in this insane system of government you grew up in a different insane system of government.

Allow me to boil it down for you, America gets off on a winner takes all system of government. Bitch whine and moan about it all you want but that's what gets us to shoot our load. We won't ever shoot our load over a Parliamentary system, let alone grasp the concept of proportional representation. That is just the way it is.

You can go all long form explanation at some point in the future that you want. You'll just be spinning yourself deeper in the hole of "I don't really understand the political system or culture I'm trying to write about".

Kinda bums me out to say that. But only kinda. I am an asshole after all.
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@61 Charles, one day soon you're going to come into work and there will be some young black dudes in suits sitting in the lobby - dudes that look like they pay attention to cultural events past 1987- and... well... um...

I'd be searching the want ads NOW if I were you. Because clearly your expiration date as a "journalist" is way past due. You don't even pretend to try anymore. Man. Oh. Man.
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@62 He's a Marxist for Hegel's sake. Of course he doesn't understand how governments work. He doesn't understand how REALITY works.
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You misquoted a unification church paper as the Washington Post. If you didn't want to take this post down, you could have put a retraction in the body. Instead, there is an antivoting unification church piece featured in the Stranger, yuck.

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