I don't understand. We voted for the Monorail 4 times and then after purchasing property, spending millions, (100 million?) we voted it down, shuttered the project. This is even worse. Let's revote, kill the bitch, like we should have in the first place, and move the fuck on. This plug should be pulled on this now.
Sounds like there's a 30% savings in getting a new Bertha altogether. This new Bertha will have to be strong enough to tunnel through the drill somebody left in there previously, though.
Maybe if we keep getting new drills, they'll finally name one Boneshaker like they should have in the first place.
Considering Bertha only has partial capacity as the other alternatives - and somebody (whistles while looking away) had them break up the original project into 5 parts so they could get a refund for a massive catastrophic failure of a doomed tunnel approach that cost the most and had the least capacity - time to get a REFUND and build one of the other alternatives that would actually work.
Unless you're still wanting to live in Magic Fairy Dust Big Bertha land, that is.
The entire budget for the tunnel is $2.8B, and we have spent about $2B already.
In February, Ben Schiendelman wrote about how the remaining $800M could be better spent. My favorite tidbit: For about $150M, we could finance three projects that meet the same capacity as the tunnel.
It's not too late. Gregoire is gone. Metro is on the ropes. It's the perfect time for Inslee to step in and do something.
As long as the viaduct disappears I'm fine with whatever we do. Really, I hope they proceed with the destroying the thing rather than leaving it open during the delay. I think traffic will get worse, but let's find out for sure.
Or we could re-attempt the monorail project again, spend all that money buying up property from Ballard to DT and West Seattle to DT, only to build nothing and sell it all for a loss of 124 million.
Can' they just buy a completely new TBM (with a decent warranty this time) and start tunneling from the other end of the route, then disassemble both TBMs when they meet up? Isn't this how the Chunnel was done?
It's time to fill in the hole, tear down the viaduct and build a boulevard along the water front. Throw in a dedicated truck only path to get commercial traffic in and out of the port and on to I5.
Leave Bertha in the ground for 32nd century archeologists to puzzle over.
Or, you know, you could not get your panties in a wad just yet and understand that the contractor claiming a $125M overrun is not the same thing as the state actually being liable to pay $125M. This contractor (Dragados) is notoriously claims-aggressive. Doesn't mean that they're actually going to get paid.
Anger and cynicism aside, is there actually any precedent for cancelling a project like this in the state it's currently in? Is it even legally possible for something like this to be overturned with a vote? Or getting a refund for a massive piece of equipment like this because it was defective?
Is there any serious possibility for this unmitigated disaster to be scrapped at this point?
...could employee approximately 4,000 people full-time or approximately 8,000 people part-time at $15 per hour for one year.
How many lives would that change?
What projects could we accomplish in one year with thousands of workers that would improve the value and quality of life in our city and give the city essential improvements that would create the economic building blocks to create new work and markets for these thousands of workers and more?
What existing projects that are already funded could be accelerated to completion with a few hundred or thousand helping minds and hands?
What do you think of building an amazing broadband network that would give all of the local individuals, innovators, makers/artists, small businesses, schools, and nonprofits access to the network resources that only large corporations can afford?
What about creating a city investment fund for microloans and matching investments for new startups and worker-owned cooperatives that commit to staying local longterm, creating work with living wages and benefits, and funding a new self-governing, sustainable, community investment credit union and startup incubator that continues this mission?
We could fund $5,000 scholarships for 25,000 local residents to complete 1 or 2 year professional degree programs at local, state colleges after being matched to a local employer's needs.
We could fund an apprenticeship program with local, small businesses and nonprofits.
We could provide matching funds to local nonprofits who commit to remodel & renovate local motels into suite hotels to provide essential, emergency housing for homeless kids and families.
At existing city and nonprofit housing facilities for homeless kids and families we could provide matching funds for onsite after-school tutors, an onsite, daytime nurse (RN or LMP), an onsite mental health professional and/or an onsite human services person to help residents identify and connect with other available support and services.
We could fund a citywide after-school tutoring program.
We could provide seed money for the development of more community healthcare clinics.
We could
dare to dream
and to build a little bit better city
for all of us.
I think $125 million is a slight majority of the estimated cost of the Lander Street Overpass (would be enough if they combined that with the Mercer Street money they stole from the LSO).
@24 - Adjusting for inflation since 1993, the cost of sleeping with Demi Moore is now more like $1.644 million. You could only afford about 76 nights with Demi today on $124 milliion
Yes, but Demi Moore is also 21 years more vintage. So depending on your buyers market, she's either more affordable or less affordable.
But if you don't want to worry about inflation, devaluation, and blackbook values, we can just spend this money on piece of mind from Dr. Evil until he concocts his 126th plan for world domination.
Well, for starters, you could get $125 Million reduction in the amount of municipal bonds that will have to be paid off. Over 30 years, that's worth about $300 Million or so.
The city could underground the utility lines along perhaps 500-600 blocks, allowing for larger street trees to provide more shade in increasingly hotter summers, and lowering line repair costs from tree limbs in storms.
Maybe if we keep getting new drills, they'll finally name one Boneshaker like they should have in the first place.
Unless you're still wanting to live in Magic Fairy Dust Big Bertha land, that is.
I distinctly remember the governor pinky-promising that this project couldn't possibly go over budget.
How could this be happening? I'm shocked!
In February, Ben Schiendelman wrote about how the remaining $800M could be better spent. My favorite tidbit: For about $150M, we could finance three projects that meet the same capacity as the tunnel.
It's not too late. Gregoire is gone. Metro is on the ropes. It's the perfect time for Inslee to step in and do something.
Leave Bertha in the ground for 32nd century archeologists to puzzle over.
Leave Bertha as a climbing gym for the suave residents.
Call these pads The Mole Hole.
Refund
Refund!
When do want it?
NOW!
When do we need it?
NOW!
Is there any serious possibility for this unmitigated disaster to be scrapped at this point?
...could employee approximately 4,000 people full-time or approximately 8,000 people part-time at $15 per hour for one year.
How many lives would that change?
What projects could we accomplish in one year with thousands of workers that would improve the value and quality of life in our city and give the city essential improvements that would create the economic building blocks to create new work and markets for these thousands of workers and more?
What existing projects that are already funded could be accelerated to completion with a few hundred or thousand helping minds and hands?
What do you think of building an amazing broadband network that would give all of the local individuals, innovators, makers/artists, small businesses, schools, and nonprofits access to the network resources that only large corporations can afford?
What about creating a city investment fund for microloans and matching investments for new startups and worker-owned cooperatives that commit to staying local longterm, creating work with living wages and benefits, and funding a new self-governing, sustainable, community investment credit union and startup incubator that continues this mission?
We could fund $5,000 scholarships for 25,000 local residents to complete 1 or 2 year professional degree programs at local, state colleges after being matched to a local employer's needs.
We could fund an apprenticeship program with local, small businesses and nonprofits.
We could provide matching funds to local nonprofits who commit to remodel & renovate local motels into suite hotels to provide essential, emergency housing for homeless kids and families.
At existing city and nonprofit housing facilities for homeless kids and families we could provide matching funds for onsite after-school tutors, an onsite, daytime nurse (RN or LMP), an onsite mental health professional and/or an onsite human services person to help residents identify and connect with other available support and services.
We could fund a citywide after-school tutoring program.
We could provide seed money for the development of more community healthcare clinics.
We could
dare to dream
and to build a little bit better city
for all of us.
Seriously, troll harder or shut up
Keep boring your own hole with that empty head of yours.
We eagerly await the return of your muffled silence.
Yes, but Demi Moore is also 21 years more vintage. So depending on your buyers market, she's either more affordable or less affordable.
But if you don't want to worry about inflation, devaluation, and blackbook values, we can just spend this money on piece of mind from Dr. Evil until he concocts his 126th plan for world domination.
I'm in, and I'll bring torches, pitchforks, and horsewhips.
And of course COCAINE and MALT LIQUOR. It'll be waaaay better than bite of seattle!
State Representative Judy Clibborn, Chair of House Transportation
“There won’t be any cost overruns.”
Transportation Secretary Paula Hammond
“We don’t envision any cost overruns on this project.”
Pearse Edwards, spokesman for Governor Gregoire
Good point! I wonder, how long would it take 4,000 people digging 24X7 to finfish the tunnel?