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1
Oof. Two year long distance relationship at that age. I can't imagine. I would explode from the sexual frustration.
2
How did these two young guys convince each other that ongoing celibacy was a great idea?
3
Dan is so right.

I ended up head over heals for a guy I met on the bus one night. From meeting to hopping into my bed was probably little more than 15 minutes (we were close to my stop when he got on the bus). I actually forgot to even ask him his name until well into it (but I'm glad I did because his name was as sexy as he was).

After we were done we laid around and talked for most of the rest of the night. We ended up seeing each other for about a year. We could never make our long term goals mesh right, so we decided to end things amicably. But no doubt I was smitten by him.

And it started with a sleazy hookup on a bus. There is no protecting from that happening. Just because they are a stranger when you start fucking doesn't mean they will remain one when you are done.
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At that age, and with practically all of the relationship being long-distance [I'm guessing college], and if that distance isn't likely to lessen soon [if college, another 2 or 3 years], the best course is option #1.

Live your separate live. Don't waste your early 20s by putting everything on pause. In a few years you will have gone separate ways, or will have all that much more to offer each other.
5
Is anyone else not catching that she's 20 now, and has been dating this guy fro two years, which would have made her 18. And before she started dating him, when she was 18, she had been fucking randos from Craigslist long enough for it to qualify as a "history." So she was almost definitely underage when she was doing this. That is... not great.
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@5 ...and just think of how much worse this would be if GBP was a guy!
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@5: Pretty sure the LW is a guy. If the LW was a women, it wouldn't really make sense to specifically greenlight the boyfriend sleeping with other men and not women.
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@5 I didn't catch it before you mentioned it, and now I feel unclean. Thanks!
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Also, the handle kinda gives it anyway... :)
10
Yay, Dan, the voice of logic. (No, seriously; that is not snark.)

Though to be fair, there are other reasons than thinking anonymous sex is emotionally safe while FWB isn't. For example, feeling unbelievably awkward having to deal with an ongoing social circle, many of whom have fucked your boyfriend, some of whom might feel free to continue to be overly familiar. I had the distinct displeasure of undergoing the straight version of that scenario, with a girlfriend way back in the last century.
11
Yeah.
Look around: the gay world is FILLED with loving same-sex male couples in stable, long-term relationships who met during anonymous or nearly anonymous sexual encounters, aka unknown and unfamiliar hookups.

Really.

12
Met my husband of twenty years at a party that ended in an orgy. Only later did we get to know each other.
13
@11 Yer a bigot. A hater. A small mind. A passing fart in a wonderful world.
14
For some reason, I knew that this letter writer was a dude within the first sentence. I'm trying to figure out how. Is there anything about "I'm 20 years old and in a long distance relationship with my boyfriend of almost two years" that screams "dude" and/or "gay" to anyone?
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@14 - I tend to assume that all LWs are gay (dude or other) - no matter their opening sentence - and am, more often than not, disappointed to find that it is not the case. (But I'm kinda like that in real life too. My gaydar has a hairtrigger. Totally unreliable.)
16
At least nobody involved in this letter has been called a masseuse.
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12
ah. the old 'bag over the head so someone will fuck you' trick.
congratulations.

13
yer jealous.
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@11 - Yes, really. Why do you think that sort of thing was exclusive to straight folks?

@7 - Hope all is well in your world!
19
Mr Wessea - Just the person I wanted to see. Mr Rhone owes you a French phrase, which reminded me of the essay of Mrs Woolf's in which she wrote of the effect of decreeing that a group at a dinner party converse in French.

I'd write more, but I'm too irritated by that Walk to Prevent Suicide banner on the right of the screen. "Suicide can be prevented." Prevented? BAD wording. And I see from the left banner that it's even in the name of the organization. Oh, dear; this is not going to be a good day.
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@18: Pridge! I am wonderful, how are you? Mr. Ven (mon ami tres analytique) is right; from this day forward, you are mon jeune marie eloquent. I hope you and your husband are doing well, my friend. Every time I play Very I think of you. : )
21
It sounds like the LW hasn't had a traditional adult dating/sex relationship yet, as opposed to a long distance/phone/Skype relationship. Maybe that's what he should be looking for, not a string of anonymous hookups to supplement an unsatisfying relationship. Try the whole boyfriend package at least once.

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Also, hi pridge!
23
Straight or gay, WTF? Why go long distance at such an early age? This is time to be test-driving lots of different parters...ones you actually see in person daily.
24
Awww, je me sens l'amour. :) I miss being able to spend time on Slog like I used to.

@19 - It is good to hear from you Mr. Ven! Your anecdote reminds me of the Merovingian in The Matrix Reloaded who says that cursing in French is like wiping your ass with silk, hehe. I've been trying to learn Italian... Italian turns me on in the same way that really great art does.

@20 - It is also good to hear from you Mr. Rhone! I love the phrase... Je suis honoré monsieur. I'm very glad to hear that life is wonderful for you.

Life has been keeping me crazy busy. I'm still loving the new job I started in January, which only encourages my workaholic tendancies. I'm working out three times a week (not counting cardio) and I'm feeling pretty dang good about myself.

The hubs continues to demonstrate all the amazing qualities that made me marry him. :) One date night a month this year, I've been recreating a date that is particularly memorable to me in the 6+ years we've been together. At the end of the date, I give him a card that explains why that date means so much to me. It's fun to do and he seems to like it, which makes me happy.

One big black spot, our house got robbed last week... took a bunch of consumer electronics, some heirlooms (my grandfather's rolex from the 60s), used our own luggage to haul the stuff out (!!!), and hurt my dog in the process. It was horribly violating and to say that I am en colère would be putting it mildly (nobody hurts my dog). The hubs wants to buy a gun now, but I've vetoed it for obvious reasons... we are stocking up on baseball bats though!

On the plus side, I'm travelling to Chicago in May for the first time since '07 for a week long vacay in the windy city. This is my first real vacation in about three-plus years and I'm sooooo ready for it.

And now that I've written the equivalent of an essay, I'll shut my ass up lol.

And someone said 'It's fabulous you're still around today. You've both made such a little go a very long way.'

@22 - Hi Alan! It's good to see you too. I totally agree with what you said @21.

Sissoucat, if you happen to wander in here, hello and good wishes to you!
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Mr Wessea - And for the last month, I've been reading Mapp and Lucia in installments at the library I visit each Tuesday, so that it makes perfect sense that someone would have something to say about learning Italian. So sorry you were robbed, but glad your veto of the gun went through.
*****

I still am having a terribly hard time with "Suicide can be prevented". Maybe it's because the first thing that pops into mind is other things people try to prevent, and how nasty the would-be preventers are to those about to do what they wish to prevent. It also comes across as an attack on agency rather than an offer of compassionate assistance. Sorry to harp on this so.
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@14
I'm trying to figure out how. Is there anything about "I'm 20 years old and in a long distance relationship with my boyfriend of almost two years" that screams "dude" and/or "gay" to anyone?


Maybe you already subconsciously registered I had a history of anonymous sex with men on craigslist almost directly after that?
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Mr. Ven @25, I agree with you that it sets the wrong tone, but I wonder what you think of the studies which show that if you obstruct someone's desire to commit suicide in the moment, they often don't go on to commit suicide another day.

"There is a large body of evidence that shows that reducing access to lethal means reduces suicide rates. The most famous example is the dramatic reduction in England’s suicide rate when the gas in homes was changed from coal gas to natural gas."
http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/articles…

"This myth that barriers don’t work was first debunked in 1978 in a landmark study by University of California­–Berkeley clinical psychologist Richard Seiden, who tracked the fates of 515 people restrained from jumping between 1937 and 1971. Although a few of the thwarted jumpers went on to kill themselves, 94 percent were either alive years later or had died of natural causes. Seiden concluded that the findings underscore the “crisis oriented” nature of suicide."
http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and…
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@27 Which honestly isn't surprising since the biggest risk for suicide because of depression is early into the improvement of depression. At the depths of depression, people often have suicidal thoughts, but they usually lack enough motivation and energy to actually commit to going through with it. As depression begins to improve, since it usually will improve over time (sometimes then re-occurring of course, but it generally doesn't stay at one constant level and often it does get better and stays better for long periods of time) you reach a point where a person has more relative motivation and energy than they've gotten used to, but are still badly depressed and keenly aware of how bad things can be. That's the high-risk point, but it's happening on the upswing, so if they pull through that, then things tend to get a bit better and then a bit more better, and the urge for suicide often passes. It's especially sad, to me at least, that so often when a suicide occurs, things truly would have gotten better soon.

This doesn't map to all cases of suicide, of course. It's just a very common one.

Also, suicides are seasonal. Again, not all of them, of course, but suicide season is also what is called "the holiday season" by most people. Basically, December-January are when suicides are most likely (this info may be northern-hemisphere based, I have no idea if studies have shown similar results in the Southern hemisphere, and I strongly suspect that sunlight exposure is a relevant factor for many people, since if you have some SAD (seasonal affect disorder) issues adding to a current depression it may tip you over). Part of the reasoning though is that holidays are hard on many people. If you are alone, they can make you feel more alone. If you don't get along that well with your family, it can be a stresser to spend more time with them. People often build them up in their heads as times that ought to be especially happy, and then the reality of them feels darker and bleaker. January is also divorce season for related reasons, plus some couples putting off separation until after holidays.

Anyhow, if you get someone through that particularly difficult time, then the more typical routine of life returns, and in the Northern hemisphere, spring returns, and things often feel a bit better. Walking outside with exposure to grass and dirt and sunlight does seem to have some mild antidepressant effects, and that's hard to do in the winter. So, a lot of people just need help getting through the really low point until things ease up. I have long suspected there is a reason we try to fill the dark days of December with holidays that involve festive lights.

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