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Cool. Now if they can just fix the issues with the browser.
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Would an apology and a contribution to pro-marriage equality efforts at least equal to the Prop 8 contribution have been enough to keep Eich in the CEO seat?

Owen Thomas of readwrite.com seems to think so.

How did a bright man who brought JavaScript to the Web think this Prop 8 contribution wouldn't bring unwelcome attention to Mozilla?
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So are we going to seek to end the employment of Californian who supported Prop 8 (ie the majority of Californians at that time)? Or just the ones who work in IT?
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@3 yeah let's not pretend that CEOs aren't the face of companies or anything
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@4 CEOs are just run of the mill folks until it comes time for bonuses to be awarded.
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@3 People who donated $1,000+ to the Prop 8 campaign is a much smaller set than Californians voters who voted for Prop 8, which is a smaller set than the majority of Californians. But if you want to fantasize about the gaystapo shoving our McCarthyist agenda down your throat, please proceed.
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I wonder how the people who eschewed the use of the Firefox Browser, or Mozilla Thunderbird over Michael Eich's Prop 8 contribution managed their Web activity without encountering or using JavaScript.
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@3 Ah, I see. Send a message to the masses by hounding leaders who agree with them out of their jobs. Nice. I'm sure the masses will appreciate it.

Totally awesome PR. Nothing like using a little intimidation to win people's support.
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I hear that Firefox is really good for porn.
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@6: you're talking to yourself again.
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@3 - 18% of California voted for Prop 8, 17% voted against and the rest didn't bother to vote. Tell me again about the majority being haters? Apathetic yes. Haters? No.

Reference: There are roughly 38 Million Californians, roughly 7 million voted for, 6.4 million voted against. Do the math.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_…

http://www.google.com/publicdata/explore…
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@6 I'm not saying that. I'm saying using intimidation is lousy PR for SSM and gay rights in general, and is ultimately counter productive. It makes people who describe gay rights activists as the "gaystapo" look like they have a point.
I'm not saying Eichs wasn't an asshole - most IT CEOs are. I won't shed a tear for him. But I do think this was a totally empty victory that may well cost more than it gains.
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Very cool

I use Firefox at work and Chrome at home
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@11 I don't dispute your numbers, but who gives a crap? Fact is - a very large percentage of Californians did support prop 8. Hounding people out of jobs who agreed with them at the time will not bring them around to the gay rights cause - it will do the opposite. It's politically stupid.
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newp. sticking with chrome.
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@14 - Yes you're correct. Actions have consequences. Standing up to bullies isn't being a bully. Funny the "Christians" can boycott anyone who supports us and then call us "Gaystopo" when we boycott those who bully and work against us.

So who gives a crap? I do. What I don't care about is Quislings like you who bow under to oppression. You don't have to agree with us, you don't have to support us, but when you work against us your a Quisling. Look it up.
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@16 Kelly L, wow. I didn't say standing up to bullies was being a bully. I didn't call those who called for Eich's firing the Gaystapo. I just said it was a stupid move. Stop putting words in my mouth. And stop trying to intimidate me by calling me a Quisling. I've in a SSM, been fighting for it for 30 years, and am tired of seeing moronic children like you piss on what's been accomplished.
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There's a difference between calling for people to be fired, and taking a stand against companies run by people who are homophobic. I'm fine with putting out of business people who are homophobic, transphobic, etc.
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@Providence - You accuse me of "putting words in (your) mouth" and then call group me with "moronic children" - Take your water sports fetish and move on.
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I'm not talking about hounding the average Joe Schmoe voter who said yes to Prop 8, I'm talking about taking a stand against a public figure who took a big stand against us by donating a big chunk of money to the campaign. He funded teevee ads that slandered us, marginalized us, and insulted our dignity, and now we're getting some revenge. I don't give a shit if your grandma voted for Prop 8. Anybody who voted for Prop 8 already thinks we "look bad" so I'm not worried about whether or not pressuring Mozilla "makes us look bad".
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I'd rather that he sit down with people and engage constructively with the LGBT community and their allies instead of resigning. Looks like Mozilla felt similarly.
Sometimes it takes the personal touch to change someone. Everyone knows people who were homophobic until they met a queer and realized that the homogays are just regular people like anyone else. In my family, it's some cousins of mine, who initially responded with hostility to their daughter coming out as a lesbian, but who are now wholly supportive of her and of gay equality in general.
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Well...yay. I really didn't want to switch to chromium full time.
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There's also the touchy matter of Mozilla Corporation being the open-source tech-hippie cousin of a browser and being owned by the non-profit Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla as part of a non-profit lives and dies by its public image. Being known as the Prop 8 alternative to MS, Apple, and Google would have been disastrous. This isn't even getting into the issues associated with a CTO transitioning into a CEO role.
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There's also the touchy matter of Mozilla Corporation being the open-source tech-hippie cousin of a browser, and being owned by the non-profit Mozilla Foundation. Mozilla as part of a non-profit lives and dies by its public image. Being known as the Prop 8 alternative to MS, Apple, and Google software would have been disastrous.

This isn't even getting into the issues associated with a CTO transitioning into a CEO role.
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Could he have made a pro-gay-marriage statement, a donation to a GLBT cause, and been forgiven? Quite possibly.

But he didn't. He had plenty of time to, and he chose not to, which speaks volumes about his dedication to anti-gay causes. As CEO, he was in charge of Mozilla's donations and the deep pockets that can now freely buy Congress members. So yeah, pressure on Mozilla was called for, and I'm glad it ended this way.
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Concern troll is sure concerned.
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/20…

i think this sums it up nicely.

And yea, concern troll Providence is just so damn concerned... who actually called for him to be fired again? It wasn't OKCupid, they called for people to stop using Firefox. Not even professional concern troll Andrew Sullivan offered any example of calls for his termination.

Speaking of, he now blathers
"When people’s lives and careers are subject to litmus tests, and fired if they do not publicly renounce what may well be their sincere conviction, we have crossed a line."

I am perfectly fine with Belief in Civil Rights being a litmus test for public companies.

If you spit on a portion of your customers, you don't get to be mad when they don't come back for more.


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