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could people actually quote these stand your ground laws? using tags isn't that elucidating. if your life IS in danger due to a threat that's objectively reasonable of imminent death, you do have a right of self defense under the law of any state. it's not clear how stand your ground is different. anyone care to quote some actual law? is the problem in the words of the law, or how it's applied, or the cultural norms being built up, or what? just saying they have stand your ground and even a felon can clam it isn't that helpful; a felon has a right of self defense obviously.
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Fucking death cult.
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@2

I feel your pain, in a way. We, as a society, have to use your wisdom, insight and eloquent usage of the English language to try and think of a way to address these serious concerns.
Here is my my idea, drawing inspiration from you.
You know how commercials are obnoxious. And how there are always popular songs being used to sell products. Led Zeppelin, Olivia Newton John, Satchmo et al. All being exploited to sell something. I say "Death Valley '69" by Sonic Youth should be used, Passed by Law in Congress, used as the ONLY song from now on in every commercial.
It's just an idea, but your intelligent analysis provoked me. Let's make this work!
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Isn't airport security a federal thing (genuine question)?
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My daughter and I are looking into potential graduate schools for her. Just another reason she won't think about living in the southeast, southwest or the plains states for six years.
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one upmanship. how will you prove you love freedumb more, tejas?

@3: dumb, even for you.
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Yet another reason to avoid flying Delta and passing through the Atlanta airport. Been stuck there more times than I care to remember, have typically gotten a room nearby to wait out the delay, especially since the Atlanta airport doesn't even have free wi-fi. No more. AZ allows guns in bars, and I've witnessed a couple of scary showdowns between armed drunk fools. That's enough for me.
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@7
fair enough. I'll try shelve my alternative ideas. The Stranger after all isn't a so-called alternative newspaper.
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Can bartenders frisk people they suspect to be carrying, so as to avoid running afoul of this charming new law?
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Guns have been legal in Colorado bars for years. To my knowledge, no-one has shot up a bar yet. Once again, you're just baying at the moon.
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Guns aren't allowed on college campuses because they don't want to arm the liberals.
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It allows white* felons to claim the Stand Your Ground defense.

*This is Georgia we're talking about.
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@4 Took me a couple articles to find, but all the bar has to do is post 'No weapons' or something on the door. As they say, they haven't determined how they'll be allowed to enforce it.

@12
I tried googling 'Colorado Bar Shooting'. 4.5 million results. I mean, I don't know that bars are any more violent than anywhere else people are allowed to carry weapons (outside of bars, highways, homes, etc), but come on, that was too easy to refute.

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@16

5280 doesn't read the regular news. He gets the NRA News Feed. They filter all that un-Second Amendment news out so he doesn't have to unknow it for himself. Bar shootings. Church shootings. All the suicides. Given the choice between gun extremism and reality, they choose guns.

Remember a few years back when regular gun owners were halfway reasonable? Remember when Wayne La Pierre supported background checks? It used to be gun nuts had to read the same newspapers as everybody else.

Now it's all crazy, all the time.
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@ 12, it's also illegal to possess a firearm while under the influence of alcohol or controlled substances, according to this. Seems like there's no outright prohibition on having a gun in a bar, but it either has to be in plain sight or you have to have a CCW permit. (And it seems local jurisdictions could possibly prohibit them if they choose - I saw something about how they're not permitted to restrict a person's ability to travel with a weapon, but I don't know if the legal definition of travel includes going out for a few drinks.)

That said, I do have to wonder about the good done by such bans, at least up to this point, especially given the example of a bar shooting given in the article. I think "Stand Your Ground" laws are more pernicious, not only for basically legalizing murder (by whites of minorities, anyway) but for encouraging dangerous machismo. @ 18's vision seems much more likely when government actively encourages gun proliferation.
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This is just a bill so far, right? Not yet the law. Or is it passed by the legislature and just awaiting the governor's signature, which he has promised to add?
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@19: Note that no definition of "under the influence" is provided for in the statute. No, the vehicular BAC levels don't apply. You'd have to be pretty fucking smashed — and be flashing your gun around — to get caught. Apparently, that doesn't happen very often, because there's very little case law on the subject.
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@ 21, I couldn't note that since I only went to these websites, not the actual statutes in full text, but I'll trust that you did.
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@13 - See if you feel it's extreme when you or a loved one catches a stray bullet. And yes, that happens quite often. Do a search on "bystander shot" - over 13,000,000 results.
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MOAR GUNS! Because SAFETY! (...is off.)
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Hey, anything that means there will be less Republicans can't be all bad.
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The problem is that it will allow people to probe airport security for weaknesses without fear of prosecution. They can get turned away each time they fail and then when they manage to get a gun in they can hide it anywhere in the airport. Soon, Georgia airports will be on that sign with Lagos Nigeria as airports that don't maintain proper security. The real Republican dream : parity with a third world country.
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@26 - have you been in the airport in Lagos, Nigeria? I sat for 5 hours in the terminal at gunpoint after they made us all leave the plane while they "checked it" for evidence of terrorists. In reality, the soldiers stole anything of value left in the carry ons, but with machine guns pointed at our heads, we weren't going to say a word. Everywhere you looked there were armed guards. Any fool stupid enough to bring a weapon into the Lagos airport deserves the consequences.
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It sounds like a good deal to me. Let's clean up the gene poll and do this in all the southern states. Let them all carry weapons regardless of alcohol consumption. Win Win for the gun idiots and a real plus for the Democrats, in about 6 months there would be a lot less republican racist, homophobic neanderthals to vote because of violent gun deaths in taverns and liquor joints.

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