No matter how hateful and reprehensible the person was in life, there should be some reflection in death.
A kaddish and RIP, and some peace and grace to his family/the cult that he created. I just hope they can learn from this and leave people alone to mourn in peace, which I sadly doubt.
I know it's considered bad form to speak ill of the dead, but seriously, Phelps was a truly loathesome example of humanity who contributed absolutely nothing of value during his too-long life. So, here's hoping the worms have a happy feast on his bloated, hate-filled corpse; at least he'll fertilize some plants.
If I didn't know better I would think that their church was improv. Of course, poorly timed and still cruel improv, but improv nonetheless.
Hopefully the hateful cult that he spawned goes away finally.
One thing though, disgusting as they were/ are, they have done a lot to help the gay rights movement in our culture. Many people, especially young people, found them so despicable, that they moved to embrace the LGBT community. Truly, the Westboro Baptist Church was the best enemy to have. And for that I begrudgingly thank them, even though they are still disgusting human beings.
A coward in life and apparently in death as well, The Westboro Baptist Church leader fred phelps is dead and his family / zealot hate cult says no funeral is planned???? (can't take it like they give it....) however in "celebration" of his life's work, the rest of the world will likely hold the biggest, loudest, gayest dance party on his ideological grave! I hope everyone makes donations to your favorite LGBT organization in the name of phelps!
I'm encouraging folks to make a donation in his name to any LGBT organization, especially the Matthew Shepard Foundation. I figure, why not finally get some good out of the guy? It'll toast his ghost, piss off his followers, and a needy gay person somewhere gets help. Total win, in my book.
Too many people are trying to harsh my happy with their "Don't fall to his level" and "Its important to forgive him" and "Love and hope are what we should talk about, not hate" and "what about his grieving children and grandchildren"- please.
His church excommunicated him last August because he DEMANDED they treat Shirley Phelps-Roper kinder when the church elders took control of the church away from her. Not being kind to anyone but Shirley. The kicked him out over it. They made him move out of the compound. He stopped eating and pretty much declined himself to death at the loss of what he had built up out of the blocks of homophobia and anti-Semitism.
I'm with Bette Davis:
"Never speak ill of the dead, only good. Fred Phelps is dead. Good."
@17, @18 -- Aye. Phelps did voluntarily what MLK had to manipulate his adversaries into doing for him -- drew the distinction between human decency and human indecency in the sharpest possible contrast.
Please tell me we are throwing him a Seattle-style Drag Funeral. I foresee rainbow umbrellas with a Dixieland jazz band and lots of us dressed in black veiled drag, dancing. Please, Slog, make it so.
Westboro must be stumbling in confusion without Papa Cult Leader.
Who is going to tell them whether to protest Drop Dead Fred's funeral or not?
May they wander in darkness and confusion - impotent in every way, consumed by the self-hate they so wish upon others - until they exist no more in this realm.
@17, @18 While it's hard to argue with the results, I'm a little uncomfortable with the logic. By that standard, we'd have to credit Adolf Hitler for the formation of the modern state of Israel. Some people are just too monstrous to deserve the credit for anything, especially when it was just a result of the reaction of decent people to relieve some of the suffering from that monstrousness.
Phelps was a useful enemy of equality and decency. But, he was a loathesome enemy. We can thank the Lord for sending us such a useful enemy, but can we please not celebrate the enemy? Don't let his usefulness die with him. He should evermore be pointed to as an example of the homophobic lifestyle. Like a dead albatross, he should be hung around the figurative neck of all religious homophobes.
Well, the weeks went by and spring turned to summer
And summer faded into fall
And it turns out Fred was just another dead asshole
Who nobody remembered at all.
The hell with "not stooping to his level." It'd take me a good forty years of constant hatred to even APPROACH "his level." Ain't nobody got time for that.
He died when he started protesting soldiers' funerals. Up to that point he was condemned only by LGBT people and their allies, and was simply the most extreme homophobe out there. But he alienated most of the rest of the homophobes and probably in his way HELPED the LGBT cause by being so extreme.
Where, pray tell, does the cult get the money to travel to these funerals to protest? I've never understood where these neanderthals ( sorry neanderthals) got their funding from?
@ 34, " By that standard, we'd have to credit Adolf Hitler for the formation of the modern state of Israel."
No. But I would say we could credit the Holocaust for teaching the world that the hatred and intolerance of people not the same as ourselves is dangerous and destructive. I wouldn't call that a celebration of the Holocaust.
BTW, attention seatackled. Has Brooklyn Reader "lost" the argument in your opinion?
@19 - with any luck it will, as most cults do, fail to survive the death of it's charismatic leader.
This guy's just gone - no sky, no hell, no lesbian buddhists in the clouds. Just nothingness.
I have to wonder what horrible traumas befell him as a child that left him so very badly warped. I'm sure the proclivity was there, but what brought it out with such vengeance? That's a lot of hatred and hate takes it out of you..it's very very hard to sustain.
He might arguably have helped LGBT rights by scaring sane people over to our side of the fence, but he was a loathsome, hateful man, and his passing fills me with gladness and relief.
@43: From within, from suing cities, from their private practice, from volunteered money of the flock. They don't travel very much, they only show up if there's bound to be a counterprotest. Most times they claim they're protesting they aren't actually planning on doing so unless the media publishes their PR.
Poor spiritual leadership skills, as is evident from his followers refusal to follow him into death, en masse.
Which reminds me, I think that I'll send Shirley Roper Phelps a mass card. I know that the members of WBC would be especially touched by the gesture from a queer ex-catholic.
My point seems less clear, even to me now, than it did when I was trying to make it. Phelps' death loses us the biggest and most public evil clown/boogeyman of the religious homophobia movement. While in one sense it's a relief to see him expunged from the roster of the living, I think I was hoping there was a way to keep that level of unhinged hatred publicly associated with his less extreme brethren, the Brian Browns, Scott Livelys, Peter LaBarberas, Rick Perrys, etc. Maybe there isn't.
Good riddance. Anybody looking to flash their middle fingers towards his family should look instead into donating to their favorite LGBTQ friendly charity, perhaps in his name?
16, he did do some good, actually (I mean, on purpose, not just by making the mildly bigoted shudder and go "Jesus, I don't want to be like THAT," though that too). Back in the day he was a campaigning civil rights attorney. Blew my mind when I found that out and still does. Obviously it doesn't undo the damage done by his hate cult, but I think it's a powerful piece of information, if only as a warning that being bravely right on something doesn't mean you can't later go -- and stay -- horribly, horribly wrong. http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/05/05/hat…
Phred Phelps is a cultural position that's now opened up for the next one, sort of like how there's always a Madonna (cum Lady Gaga), Clearly he was an asshole; plenty more jockeying to fill the vacuum that demands he exist.
http://alldeadmormonsarenowgay.com/
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qF5QSvWG…
https://archive.org/details/bb_ill_be_gl…
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XU7gnMSz…
A kaddish and RIP, and some peace and grace to his family/the cult that he created. I just hope they can learn from this and leave people alone to mourn in peace, which I sadly doubt.
Hopefully the hateful cult that he spawned goes away finally.
One thing though, disgusting as they were/ are, they have done a lot to help the gay rights movement in our culture. Many people, especially young people, found them so despicable, that they moved to embrace the LGBT community. Truly, the Westboro Baptist Church was the best enemy to have. And for that I begrudgingly thank them, even though they are still disgusting human beings.
They recommend against using dyed TP, but you might consider using pink this once.
His church excommunicated him last August because he DEMANDED they treat Shirley Phelps-Roper kinder when the church elders took control of the church away from her. Not being kind to anyone but Shirley. The kicked him out over it. They made him move out of the compound. He stopped eating and pretty much declined himself to death at the loss of what he had built up out of the blocks of homophobia and anti-Semitism.
I'm with Bette Davis:
"Never speak ill of the dead, only good. Fred Phelps is dead. Good."
It is at least fascinating that he was a civil rights lawyer back in the day. It'd be interesting to find writings from him from the 60s, I think.
Who is going to tell them whether to protest Drop Dead Fred's funeral or not?
May they wander in darkness and confusion - impotent in every way, consumed by the self-hate they so wish upon others - until they exist no more in this realm.
Phelps was a useful enemy of equality and decency. But, he was a loathesome enemy. We can thank the Lord for sending us such a useful enemy, but can we please not celebrate the enemy? Don't let his usefulness die with him. He should evermore be pointed to as an example of the homophobic lifestyle. Like a dead albatross, he should be hung around the figurative neck of all religious homophobes.
And summer faded into fall
And it turns out Fred was just another dead asshole
Who nobody remembered at all.
One store posted on facebook a "little something for Fred Phelps to hum along to as he marches towards those Pearly Gates:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgzGwKwL…
It's a sign!
Spring requires the death of an evil, media whore homophobe.
So, how shall we invoke spring next year....my pretties?
No. But I would say we could credit the Holocaust for teaching the world that the hatred and intolerance of people not the same as ourselves is dangerous and destructive. I wouldn't call that a celebration of the Holocaust.
BTW, attention seatackled. Has Brooklyn Reader "lost" the argument in your opinion?
This guy's just gone - no sky, no hell, no lesbian buddhists in the clouds. Just nothingness.
I have to wonder what horrible traumas befell him as a child that left him so very badly warped. I'm sure the proclivity was there, but what brought it out with such vengeance? That's a lot of hatred and hate takes it out of you..it's very very hard to sustain.
Good riddance, you piece of shit.
Which reminds me, I think that I'll send Shirley Roper Phelps a mass card. I know that the members of WBC would be especially touched by the gesture from a queer ex-catholic.
My point seems less clear, even to me now, than it did when I was trying to make it. Phelps' death loses us the biggest and most public evil clown/boogeyman of the religious homophobia movement. While in one sense it's a relief to see him expunged from the roster of the living, I think I was hoping there was a way to keep that level of unhinged hatred publicly associated with his less extreme brethren, the Brian Browns, Scott Livelys, Peter LaBarberas, Rick Perrys, etc. Maybe there isn't.
Loving it.
George Vreeland Hill