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seems like this is one of those posts designed to get riled up about nothing.
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"At the very least, in parts of the city designed for pedestrians."

Wait... what parts of the cities are not designed for pedestrians? Well realistically I guess there are parts but I thought the only places that were not *supposed* to be designed for pedestrians were the freeways.
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At this point, I'm just generally shocked (and grateful) when a construction project includes a pedestrian walkway (there's currently one on Denny that has this) since SDOT could not give less of a fuck. Maybe they need another fact-finding mission to New York so they can see Book of Mormon. Whoops! I mean so they can "study" the issue.
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If this sensationalist crap is all I have look forward to reading now I'll be done with this place pretty quick.
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You almost wish that more pedestrians would be carrying matches when they encounter these situations.
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THANK YOU. It's only been getting worse.

I've had four near misses on 11th and 12th. Then two days ago a contractors van side mirror clipped me and just kept on going. The flag person just chuckled and shrugged.

I felt like fucking choking them (I swear if I hadn't had my dog with me I would have tossed one of those guys in the open pit there on 11th).

I tried complaining but nobody at the city could even tell me who to talk to.

It's only a matter of time before somebody is struck and killed. And I hope the city and the construction company get the shit sued out of them.
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randy, i've heard you've done pretty good for yourself since leaving the M's and D-backs. Way to go! A photographer, whoa, that takes talent! Maybe you and Dominic Holden's brother can trade secrets toward helping make the world a wonderful screen-friendly paradise.
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That is a hit and run. I know it's two days later, but it may be worth it to try to recall the details and report it to the police.
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Only suburban car or SUV or truck driving "stakeholders" matter.

You know, people who can't even vote in Seattle.

Seattleites are serfs, not citizens.

(this is why I go one block West at that location)
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To claim the Seattle City Council wants to kill pedestrians is to give them too much credit for imagination and initiative. The truth is they just don't give a shit.
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@3: There are plenty of parts of this city that don't have any sidewalks at all. Up in Ballard around Crown Hill, the sidewalks just suddenly stop and you either have to walk in people's yards or in the middle of the street. That's not a space that's designed for pedestrians. Same around Lake City Way. Same thing on points south.
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I heard that the Seattle Street Use Department is in the middle of putting together a team to coordinate construction activities in high use "Hub" areas like Capitol Hill so that these sorts of things don't happen.
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Maybe the "War on Cars" is over and the cars won?
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See also Dexter north of Mercer.
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@13,

It's worse to be ignored than hated.
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@13,

I mean in terms of feeling slighted, not in terms of government policy. In terms of government policy, I'd rather be ignored than subject to outright antipathy.
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In all the links Dom, I did not find any accounts of any injury, accident, much less a fatality involving this situation. The city has far greater priorities: graffiti and tagging, potholes, to name a few.
Also, any pedestrian inconvenienced can easily alter her or his patterns and take another route.
If you want the density and apodments that you're salivating for; it's best to not make an issue out of this.
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It's interesting that people will refuse to wait for the "walk" sign before crossing and empty street, but insist on walking in the street as near to a high risk area for potential harm, a construction site.

The Seattle pedestrian paradox.
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This is highly annoying, especially when the sidewalk ends mid-block. But of course we must keep 'studying' the problem, in other words: developers would bitch about having to provide covered walkways and one thing we can't do in this city is anything that might slightly perturb developers.
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The DPD is a good start. You can file a complaint against the builders for creating unsafe conditions here: http://www.seattle.gov/dpd/codesrules/ma…
"Call the our Violation Complaint Line at (206) 615-0808 for time-sensitive complaints"

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State law requires that any time a sidewalk is closed for construction, they must provide an alternative walkway (and not just the other side of the street). I researched it on WSDOT's own set of statutes. I pressed this issue here in Kent when they were building the Events Center. Even if they have to take away a lane of traffic, by routing pedestrians into the street, they must do so.
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Have you spoken to anyone at SDOT about this? They are the ones who issue Street Use Permits.

I have to say, though, right now that part of Capitol Hill in particular is clusterf**k in terms of street closures, because there are so many projects being built in a small area. I don't think anywhere else in the city is that bad.

And until SDOT figures their shit out, pedestrians can always suffer the crushing inconvenience of re-routing to streets that are open. An incontrovertible truth of increased urban density is that a LOT of construction will take place, and while the folks involved in building these project have a responsibility to keep pedestrians safe from construction hazards, it's not necessarily their responsibility to make it convenient for everyone who doesn't feel like walking an extra block to find an open sidewalk.
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That's a major sticking point for me on streets that don't have a lot of controlled intersections but are basically uncrossable without one (i.e. Denny). That retirement project just below Capitol Hill, for months, had a Sidewalk Closed sign way the hell down the street at which point it was impossible to cross Denny unless you backtracked to Stewart. That project also basically took up two city blocks, making it time consuming to go around.
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@25,

Tell that to pedestrians in *real* cities. I lived in Manhattan for four years. Development projects were common, but so were pedestrian walkways. I almost never had to cross the street to get around. These things matter.
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(I should have qualified my last paragraph better. Basically, if the city is not going to follow their own rules for keeping sidewalks open, we as pedestrians owe it to ourselves to stay safe. The folks in the photo above are endangering their own safety. Is it really worth saving a couple minutes' walking to expose yourself to getting flattened by a truck?)
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After the city gets around to providing sidewalks north of 85th I'll get excited about rallying to the cause of those inconvenienced by their temporary lack of infrastructure.
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@28,

I agree with you about that, and, even though I loathe development projects that don't include mitigation for pedestrians, I don't want to be a martyr for my cause.

That said, pedestrians will do what's most convenient for them. I remember one pedestrian advocate noting that these days we invest all this money into figuring out migration patterns for animals and accommodating that in new highway designs so deer don't get flattened, but when it comes to pedestrians, we just completely ignore pedestrian patterns. Where people walk, where people cross the street. And then we're surprised when they don't walk a half mile out of their way to cross a street safely and instead put their lives on the line running across a busy street.
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How many pedestrians are killed in this way? In many parts of the world, there are no sidewalks and drivers just drive around pedestrians walking along the side of the road. It doesn't seem to be a problem there, so why is it such a problem here? As long as people don't get ticketed for walking on the side of the road, I don't think we should be investing that much time in this.
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Heh. Well for one thing the sidewalk is public property. What gives the developer the right to obstruct it? As mentioned above I have never seen this sort of crap in say NYC. It is rampant here and I'd wager has everything to do with a deep aversion to mildly inconveniencing developers on the part of our public officials.
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@31,

If you're talking about the pedestrian situation in much of the developing world, pedestrian fatalities are rampant there. They account for at least 40 percent of road deaths: http://r4d.dfid.gov.uk/Output/5076/
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@31 Being a pedestrian in the developing world is like being thrown into a particle collider. Jesus. Driving is insane enough. Go drive in Mexico, or, god forbid, South East Asia and report back.

In my first nine hours in Saigon I saw a lady get her ankle crushed by scooter when she was crossing the street and later an overloaded taxi van (a Nissan with maybe fifteen people in it and piles of shit on the roof) plow into a group of kids (I don't think anybody was killed). After a couple weeks you just realize that shit is so common you stop even noticing.
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Yes, this does poss me off, as I am on foot frequently. Pedestrians also pay sales and property taxes, and shoudn't have to eat it around every construction project! (Auto spell also posses me off. But that's another post)
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For those advocating walking a different route, I'd like to point out that the sidewalk is closed on the West side of 12th at Pike, and (two weeks ago, at least) the sidewalks on both sides of 10th were closed between Pike & Union. How far out of your way should you be expected to go? How do you plan your route when this shit changes from week to week? It's great that development in the city has ramped up, but city planning has not kept pace.
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@20- fuck off
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Another thing that gets my goat about this issue is that there's seemingly no enforcement from SDOT in terms of how long a project can tear up a sidewalk while offering no alternatives. Case in point: a year ago a sidewalk near my office was torn up for repaving. The contractor tore up the sidewalk then a month passed. The contractor showed up again, smoothed out the dirt, then another month passed. The contractor showed up, place some dividers or whatever for the cement, then a couple weeks passed. The contractor showed up, poured some cement, then another week passed. Finally the contractor finishes the project up and the sidewalk is usable again, after almost three months.

How is it that it's kosher with SDOT to allow projects to drag on in perpetuity without citing the property owner or the lazy-as-fuck contractor?
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I don't think it's a convenience issue at all; it's a safety issue, period. Most of us seem to be thinking like ableists here. It's more than a matter of inconvenience to ask someone with mobility difficulties, whether because of age or disability, to take a three-block detour. Same if they are not sighted, and probably some other disabilities, too.
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It's a complete outrage. Why can't the damn developer put in protection for the pedestrian? They do so in other cities. Keep raging about this (instead of some schmuck of a cop who yelled at you). Congrats, BTW.
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By the way, do developers post licenses indicating which parts of the street are legally under their control when they are building? If materials are left on the sidewalk area, do they belong to anyone, or is it finders keepers?
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The city makes money off the outrageous "street use" fees they charge for the square footage developments take up in the public right of way. Instead of enforcing safety they just assign more sdot people to make sure street use has been permitted/paid for. The irony is the city municipalities SCL and PSE end up closing and tearing up the sidewalks to put all there infrastructure underground and encourage more development. That area on the hill is particularly bad due to a totally delinquent project on the west side of 10th and SCL trying to move all their lines underground.
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geez, Dom, you're either all the way in for unfettered development or you're not...
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It's negligence by the city. When a ped does get killed or injured, if they come to me as a lawyer I will sue the crap out of the city and if it's a major injury it could be $3 million like another case I had. do you the taxpayers think you should be paying $3 million (or the insurance premiums to cove that) to pay off someone who's injured AFTER they get injured, or should be demanding our city government do the right thing BEFORE the injury happens when there is clearly flagrant negligence right in front of our eyes? I'm talking to you @20.
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How can I obstruct the sidewalk in front of the DCLU for weeks and months at a time?

How can I obstruct the sidewalk in front of home of the developer for weeks and months at a time?
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Are people not aware of the option of crossing the street and using that sidewalk? Or simply walking around said construction site?
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My particular daily annoyance is the construction of the new Brooks HQ on Stone Way & 34th. Both the sidewalk and the bike lane on both Stone and 34th have been appropriated by the construction, which is especially annoying because lots of bicycle commuters ride through this intersection.

I've changed my route, but I still have to squeeze by traffic and then plant my self in the midle of the lane in front of a car. No problems, but I expect I'll get some attitude from an idiot (maybe Kinison?) sooner or later.
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I have a strong suspicious that all the "Geez, what's the big deal?" people here don't actually live and/or walk in neighborhoods where this is an issue. It's a big deal because a publicly owned right-of-way is being blocked for a private construction project, which is both incredibly annoying and illegal.

What REALLY gets my goat is when the construction site blocks the sidewalk but street parking is unaffected. Pedestrians can go fuck themselves, but hey, God forbid you should temporarily take those five parking spots away.
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this is one of those stupid situations where someone has to get hurt badly before anyone does anything.
Here in Vancouver Canda as in many other cities covered walkways go up before any construction. I have been to Seattle many times and noticed they do not do this.
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@47 I use that same intersection twice daily. On Tuesday I was threatened (by an aged greying and bearded long hair in a white panel van - keep a look out, plates begins with a "B") for biking in the "driving lane." He engaged me in "spirited conversation" as he inched his van towards me, slamming on his brake as he rolled forward so I'd know he was serious.

That said most all the cars I've encountered at that intersection have been understanding and aren't jammed up close to that chain link fence (West bound along 34th), so I pass them safely (when the light is red, and it almost always is, no one is moving and it's easy to scoot past).
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There was a clusterfuck last month at Mercer & 1st Ave N, a busy bus stop, where all but one corner was closed to pedestrian traffic. The corner was the one diagonal the bus stop. At least 2 of the 4 WALK signs was covered up by a trash bag to dissuade their use. Ridiculous.
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Do you mean using the other sidewalk across the street that is also blocked off due to construction?

And the people in the middle of the street are walking around the construction site.
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@46 When both sides are blocked, the only option is going around the block. Please talk to my elderly friend with a foot injury about how inconvenient that is.
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Tear down the fences at night after the crews have gone for the day. The cost of a walkway is probably cheaper than hiring site security.
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On the Hill there is so much construction going on I'm expected to cross the street about 7 times on my walk to/ from work. After a while I just say "fuck this" and walk in the street.

In addition to the example in this post, on Republican between Belmont and Boylston, the sidewalks were closed on both sides for a spell. It's open now but I can't understand how that's allowed/ tolerated at all. They should be required to put up a protected walkway!
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Well, I've got to hand it to the author. He got the pic he was angling for, after I had to shut the street down while he walked up and down in the road searching for the best angle to get his money shot.

The author neglected to mention his disregarding of my verbal requests for him to move to the side walk, as I do for the other 450-500 pedestrians that cross my area of operation. I also used hand signals and motioned with my body where he should walk to to be safe. The author chose to ignore me and walk behind me further into the traffic zone...ostensibly to take rage photos of a carefully framed and out of context nature to hammer home his sensationalized point. Again, I had to close the entire corridor while he was searching for the money shot-- which he got by standing on the road in a spot where pedestrians aren't even supposed to be.

Nice reporting, man. Next time, why don't you stay longer than three minutes and soak in a little more than your petty rage pic. You'll have to face the fact that our traffic control rocks, and when people choose to Follow Directions from a licensed traffic controller (ahem), there is a decidedly awesome and sincere concern for every Single pedestrian--including the author..out in the road.

Sincerely ,
Big Mark on 11th & E Pike.
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ahem. North Seattleite here. It's a few years old, but I'm just gonna put this right here because, well, it hasn't changed much since it was published.

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ABPub/2…

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"After the city gets around to providing sidewalks north of 85th"

The city didn't build sidewalks south of 85th, the original developers did and that has been factored into the homes' values every since. If homeowners north of 85th want sidewalks, they have to pay for them themselves, the way we have south of the line.
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That street should be closed to through automobile traffic.

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