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Well, that's one thing you can say about gay couples: they don't produce genetic monsters.
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Cousin marriage was legal in all states through at least the first half of the 19th century. Its still legal in several states in the East, including my own. The genetic risks may be vastly overstated for most ethnic groups. Some ethnic groups (French Canadians, Louisiana Cajuns and Ashkenazi Jews, for example) need testing, though, even for unrelated partners, because of long isolation or insularity.
3
His creepiness knows no bounds.
4
There's nothing in the Bible against using church funds to finance child soldiers to protect your gold and diamond mining interests, either. The Bible doesn't even mention Charles Taylor at all.

Pat Robertson is a mass murderer.
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Genetically, a bad idea. Socially, not so good if everybody kept it in the family. It would lead to another drama of the Hatfield's and the McCoy's. Or the Royal family. Personally though, it's none of my business; I'm simply not into my cousins.
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It should be a geneticist with a degree from Regent University, however, or even Liberty University. It shouldn't be one of those Satan-worshiping homogeneticists who make hijacked passenger planes crash into American buildings.
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"I shouldn't say mongoloid..." No, no you shouldn't. But then, it's a little to late to feel badly about that, given all the other atrocious things you've said and done in your life. I'd be surprised if that cracked the top 1000.
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Also, there's nothing about genetic testing or DNA in the bible, either, Pat! Can I fuck my cousin with impunity or not?! Which is it!?
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@1: Unless both a donated egg and donated sperm are used and they came from siblings.

It was kinda sad about Little Charles and Ivy in "August: Osage County" though.

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"Mongoloid" is both offensive and inaccurate. The term was used for babies with Down Syndrome, which is not a risk especially linked to in-breeding. And #2 has the right of it, the risk for cousin marriage genetically depends on the group the cousins are from. It can be safer than somebody else marrying someone with no clear relation, but part of the same small genetic group. Or, if you have known genetic health issues or nasty recessives in your family, it can be particularly problematic if you have kids. Of course, not everyone who marries wants to have children or wants to have children with their own genetics.

I also think genetic issues is a terrible reason to deny a marriage, since there are people with known serious dominanbt traits, who will have a 50% chance of passing it on to any child of theirs if they mate with somebody who doesn't have it, so that's the best case. And we don't deny them marriage or the choice to have kids. I think denying it to them would be a much worse problem. And if we're okay with 50% known serious risk, then it seems rather stupid to not allow the significantly smaller risks that the average set of first cousins would have.

Incest is a problem due to the potential power imbalance, which can lead to a lack of true consent. But usually first cousins are raised separate enough that they can both consent, and there's no indication that they aren't both adults. Obviously if there is some sort of coercion on one of them to marry the other or one is a child then that would not be at all acceptable.
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Unless you're Han Chinese, you're unlikely to have a "mongoloid child". Where does the usage of "mongoloid" as crude slang for the mentally-retarded or developmentally disabled originate?
From the fact that the feature known as the epicanthic fold is usually seen in persons of East Asian/Pacific Islander/Native American (collectively and archaically known as Mongoloid ethnic groups) heritage but can also manifest in Caucasian or Negroid persons with Down Syndrome (Trisomy 21).

As far as population genetics go, first cousins are generally more similar in terms of alleles than the general population, but second cousins or further tend to be no more similar than unrelated persons.
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I thought some actual scientists had signed off on cousins making babies in the past year or so? I'm with Pat on this one, though I wouldn't have cited the bible or used the word "mongoloid" in my answer.
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@12: Yeah, and I think Dan has given essentially the same advice as Pat, minus the 'tard-shaming.
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@11- "Where does the usage of "mongoloid" as crude slang for the mentally-retarded or developmentally disabled originate?"

From racist people looking at people with Downs Syndrome, I believe. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Down_syndro…
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How does someone who doesn't believe in evolution believe in DNA and genetics?
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Laws against cousin-marriage are American holdovers from Eugenics Laws of the 1920s, 30s.

You know civilized Europe US liberals put on such a pedastal? Every nation there its legal to marry first cousins.

The chance of genetic anomolies are less than 2% increased unless your family has a history of cousin-marriages all the time (in which case you are CLOSER than first cousin genetically).
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@15. My first thought. Oh, NOW you believe in DNA? You can't have it both ways, insane old man.
18
The Bible never said I couldn't gay marry my cousin either.
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@15,17 Selective breeding is in the bible.

One would think that it isn't a huge step from that science to evolution, but at that point we're thinking...
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@18 - Just as long as you never lay with him as with a woman. Always standing or leaning. Crouching also works, just no laying.
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Isn't that where the Hapsburg Lip came from? Intermarriage in royalty to keep the wealth and the power in the family instead of a chance marriage with a commoner? God forbid any marriage for love!
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@10,11: One of the best movies I've ever seen used the reference in a great way. I recommend watching "The Eighth Day", if you can find it. It's certainly not without its problems, but as the older brother of someone with Down Syndrome, I appreciated the way it humanized people like her, and gave me hope that she could have a good adult life.
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@21- Marrying your first cousin isn't really a problem. Marrying your cousin who is both a first, second, and third cousin (and on both sides of the family) is a problem.
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@15 and 17: Can't believe I'm about to defend the old coot, but he seems to have come around on evolution. Or at least a part of it. He recently said that the young earth crowd was wrong and that the idea that the earth was 6000 years old was nuts. He even mentioned billions of years.

Yeah, I know, stopped clock. Blind squirrel.
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@24

Deathbed conversion.

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