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This is precisely how officers get away with misconduct time and again. They are slapped on the wrist at first, but the punishment and complaint are overturned on appeal or at the request of the union. Officers learn that if they wait it out the ramifications of their behavior will more often than not disappear.
However, I strongly suspect there was some "come-at-me-bro" posturing behind closed doors. Metaphorically, at least, if not in real physical terms.
I'm not seeing that as a weakness.
Thank you Dominic Holden and The Stranger staff for shedding light and holding Murray accountable for his terrible decisions. Keep it up, there will be more.
Unless Team Murray is willing to admit that everything they've done so far is wrong and start from scratch, we are indeed in for an awful 46 months.
That attitude serves to escalate interactions, when a competent and professional officer seeks to de-escalate them. Mr. Holden may be a smartass but he was doing nothing illegal, nothing "wrong" in any sense of the word.
An officer who overreacts to such a benign matter probably shouldn't be on the force. One day's further training won't cure an emotional problem.
This is also embarrassing for Officer Marion, because it draws out the unwelcome attention he's getting. It's not that he doesn't necessarily deserve it, but it would have much better for him to have taken the punishment and been done with it already.
Can we get the supporters of the original decision to denounce Bailey and Murray for changing their minds? raindrop? M. Wells? Whoever else?
I know we haven't seen much of that from the nayor's office over the past 12 years, but I'm willing to give it a try.
(Damned either way, might as well make things right.)
"Arguably"??? Somehow, Dominic, you never cease to be a privileged little prick.
Very impressive dive velocity...especially combined with the flips and twists, Team Murray!
It's not enough. Mr. Marion is not likely to be trained to respect anyone's Constitutionally-protected rights. I wouldn't hire a hot-head like that to be a counter clerk, much less to carry a gun and use it with impunity. He should be fired.
Every one of our peace officers should know that if they lie to people about the legality of standing on a public transit plaza or sidewalk, and if they try to intimidate people into not observing and documenting their on-the-job actions, they're putting their jobs in jeopardy.
I'm sure right now the mayor's celebrating a win down at city hall. It don't get any better than this.
In this context, I don't think "arguably" means what you think it means...
Here's the basis of your complaint about Officer Marion, who till then had an unblemished record. You filed a formal complaint because he supposedly said, "I'm going to come into The Stranger and bother you while you're at work." Wow. That's really an outrageous violation of your civil rights! And don't you work for a publication that routinely tells people to fuck off, etc. So the Stranger itself is a model of civility? Where do I complain about the Stranger.
Dominic, your self righteous posturing and ethically-challenged performance in this does a real disservice to people who have real, significant complaints with police officers. You're a privileged white boy who heard rude words. Grow up. Get some perspective. And give coverage to people who truly know what civil liberties mean,
At the very least the DoJ needs to step up from 'monitoring' to 'intervention'.
(And 'Dominic the cry baby', you obviously didn't watch the same video that everyone else managed to see. The incident was over, and the SPD crew was getting ready to leave the scene when Mr. Holden approached to find out who was in charge of the specific incident. All the officer had to do was answer one simple question from a member of the media; ins tea she decided to go on a juvenile tirade. If Mr. Holden had waited much longer all of these officers would have been gone, leaving nobody to answer any questions.)
No doubt Mayor Murray wanted to make a public show of support for his police chief—but at the same time, i also have no doubt that discussions were going on behind closed doors to find a way out of the mess. Had you not continued to bring this issue to light, the mayor would most likely have let Chief Bailey's unfortunate decision slide.
Conscientious reporting like this is the *only* way to rein in the ongoing egregious behavior by Seattle's Finest. Bravo to you Dominic, keep up the good work!
What city do we suddenly live in? Sure, the GOP coinage of flop-flop might suit, but is it possible someone just got a valuable lesson beat into them by the press?
Kudos, sir.
"Admitting something was wrong, correcting it, and taking responsibility.
I'm not seeing that as a weakness."
Well, assholes, now you actually do have a thin skinned, divisive little toady running, or rather ruining, the city. Hope y'all are happy.
Murray has quickly proven every negative thing said about him during the campaign.
I have no doubt that he will be judged as the worst mayor in the history of Seattle by the time his one and only term ends.
Here's hoping we can recall him before then.
That is all.
If you are an officer I hope that you know that you are not allowed to order people off of public property for no reason.
Tdean, you make it sound like you're in law enforcement and if so, then you're a bad apple that needs to go. Everything that Dom did is not just legal, but constitutionally protected, both as a private individual and as a member of the press. If you had done anything other than answer his question about who was in command of the scene, you would have been in the wrong.
If you don't like that, find a new job or another country.
Roosevelt: "The country needs and, unless I mistake its temper, the country demands bold, persistent experimentation. It is common sense to take a method and try it: If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something"
Murray: "I am admitting frankly that our method to address accountability and culture change in the Marion case failed. And I am pledging that we will attempt another. And when we do, we will take better steps at involving the community"
All of you defending the police need to stop. The only thing that cops protect and serve are the interests of other cops. That's truth.
#56 your comments are particularly egregious and naive. I can only hope that if the time arrives, you will get the full experience that the type of cop you describe has to offer. And please, don't try and tell me that the situation I suggest could never arise because you don't decide who gets bitten when a pack of dogs are blinded by rage.
Of course, but they still did it and will still continue to support it.
@6: "Ed Murray is a dumbshit."
Not as much as the Sloggers who proceeded to lecture us on how they voted for Murray (and were therefore better than the rest) because only HE cared about police reform.