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And Of Course Barack Obama Knew About The IRS Targeting Conservative Non-Profits. Duh-uh!

With all due respect, the fact is we had lanes closed. Was it because of political retaliation was it because of a traffic study? What difference at this point does it make?
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The second part of my comment was actually a paraphrase of Secretary Clinton’s statement on a different “manufactured scandal.”

“With all due respect, the fact is we had four dead Americans. Was it because of a protest or was it because of guys out for a walk one night decided to go kill some Americans? What difference at this point does it make?”
-Hillary Clinton, January 2013

I figure what sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. Right?
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^ Typical right wing deflection.

YGBKM, if you can't talk about Christie, go start your own discussion thread somewhere else.

Anyhoo, I agree that this was not only predictable, but it was also foolish for anyone to entertain the idea that Christie's underlings would undertake such a thing and keep the boss man in the dark about it. That's never how things work, not when every other clue about how he operates is as an autocrat, as Goldy succinctly put it.
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I suspect Christie knew, sanctioned, and probably ordered the closure. But this is only a statement in a letter written by the attorney for someone likely to face criminal charges for his role in the closures, someone who wants a deal from prosecutors, someone who has neither testified to the fact of Christie's involvement nor publicly provided evidence of it. He wants immunity, which he can only get if prosecutors think he has sufficiently valuable information. I'm not saying he doesn't have it. Just that this ain't it. Yet.
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Oh shit! This is gonna be fun!
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I don’t read this post as just being “about Christi” I read this post as being about an autocrat lying about what he knew and when he knew it. Therefore, it’s valid to discuss other autocrats that lie about what they knew and when they knew it. It’s not only predictable, but also foolish for anyone to entertain the idea that Obama or Clinton's underlings would undertake anything and keep the boss man (or woman) in the dark about it. That's never how things work, not when every other clue about how he (or she) operates is as an autocrat.

I thought that the left’s doctrine is that when a autocrat gets caught lying about what they knew and when they knew it the event in question is automatically reclassified as a “manufactured scandal.” Surely the same would apply here… Therefore Madame Secretary's statement on such matters would apply.

What difference at this point does it make?
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@ 7, except that Obama can't fairly be described as an autocrat, and there's no paper trail with a logical timeline to tie Obama to that. It's right wing gulliblity to think otherwise. (Or disingeniousness - a real possibility in your case.) And that was a minor scandal for Obama BECAUSE it didn't appear to be on his orders, based on all the available evidence.

Deflect, deflect, deflect, YGBKM. You must do all you can to keep poeple from seeing how much less democratic Republicans are.
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Goldy,

You state as a fact that:
“New Jersey is historically one of the most politically corrupt states in the nation.”

Please cite your sources.

They seems to disagree with The Center For Public Integrity, Global Integrity and Public Radio International. Those organizations determined that New Jersey is the LEAST corrupt state. http://www.stateintegrity.org/your_state
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I'd argue that they are all three real.

Breaking news: Politicians Behave Badly And Lie About It.

Story to follow.

BTW @5's got it right.
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And, for what it's worth, Christi isn't my guy. Never has been.
I don't trust fat people.
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@10 I'm sorry you don't understand the meaning of the word "historically".
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As anyone familiar with typical "traffic studies" will tell you - including city administrators and mayors - there's no such thing as a one day traffic study involving lane closures. Hello?
Is there anyone out there who didn't think, what kind of "traffic study" closes lanes for a day to see how big the back-up would get? Yet we're to believe the major of NJ supposedly took this explanation at face value while traffic was crippled?

This guy's going down hard.

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@4 Holy cow. Has You_Gotta_Be_Kidding_Me been on vacation? I haven't seen this poster in a while, and I'm really sad to see the person back in light of the reminder of what the kind of stuff this person says.
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Couldn't happen to a nicer guy!,Yuk yuk!
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@15

Don't know, but today is the first time I've seen Bailo in a long, peaceful while. Maybe they went on vacation together.
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YGBKM, Let's look at the three scandals.

Bridgegate: Governor's office closes closes bridge in retaliation for not getting a political endorsement. Massive backups ensue. At least one person dies in an ambulance stuck in the backup. The orders to close the bridge originate at least as high as the governor's chief of staff, so a political appointee one step from the governor on the org chart.

IRS: The office of the IRS that determines if nonprofits are actual public service organizations that should receive nonprofit status or flimsy covers for political action groups uses some frequently used keywords and notices that some keep coming up for groups that are flimsy political covers. They deny more applications from liberal groups than conservative ones. Really, there is no scandal here.

Benghazi: The embassy requests some additional security, but the ambassador and others didn't fully understand the security situation in Benghazi. Embassy security money was reduced by Congress at Republican insistence. The decision not to give additional security to the consulate in Benghazi was made by a career staffer (ie not a political appointee) three or four steps below Clinton.

The IRS "scandal" is smoke and mirrors. When you compare Benghazi to Bridgegate, they are orders of magnitude different in who made the decision, how close they were to the top of the organization, and the political nature of the decision. Not giving the security money to Benghazi was surely a bad decision. On the other hand, Bridgegate was political retribution. You think there might be a difference?
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I don't know why it hasn't caught on, but this article in Jan. 11 or so New York Mag seems to have a better explanation for why the traffic was blocked: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201…
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The reason for the lanes closing is key here. If the governor know about that memo from his staff that resulted in the closings; Christie is sunk. On the other hand, if the evidence supports that his understanding for the closing was because of a traffic study (and he was not privy to the Machiavellian subterfuge by his own staff) then he should be exonerated.

Remember that we as citizens expect to be treated equally under the law and presumed innocent until proven guilty - why do we expect less of a standard when our elected officials are in trouble?
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Even if he did not know about the lane closings or (regarding the even bigger scandal) know about the millions of $ of Sandy Aid sent to towns not hit by Sandy, his career is over.

His two big (and only) positives were that 1) he's bipartisan and 2) he's an effective administrator.

#1 is in tatters and #2 doesn't exist anymore.

He's done. And if any of the worse allegations against him stick he will not finish his term in office. He will be lucky to avoid prison.
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Major NJ paper which endorsed Christie now says he should resign if he lied about bridge closing:

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/st…
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@20 see #14. There is no reason to shut down lanes to do a traffic study. All ya need is a car count easy to get without shutting down any lanes, and by todays standards some pretty simple computer modeling.

They shut down lanes for a traffic study? Show us the study.
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"Remember that we as citizens expect to be treated equally under the law and presumed innocent until proven guilty" -- in a court of law you mean. otherwise we commonly make assumptions and presumptions using a where there is smoke approach, just like we do to our friends and this helps us detect asshats and liars without definite proof, which is usually not within our grasp, since, like I said, we're not in a court of law."

"why do we expect less of a standard when our elected officials are in trouble? " See above. Also they are at a higher standard so we judge them more harshly, also, we can't subpoena them, sit hearing twenty witnesses, etc., so once we catch them in one serious lie that's it. here, he said he didn't know and other people in his staff knew so it looks like a damn lie know we are starting to see the proof. and anyway what kind of incompetence is it to screw thousands of people with a traffic study? it's a damn lie. the captain of the ship is a fat fool or a damn liar, take your pick.

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