Who? Oh, the girl who drunkenly killed her boyfriend. Nice staircase.

Good Morning Charles,
Well, I hadn't thought about Amanda Knox in a long while (a year?). If true, that's most unfortunate to read. She really should lay low. Seriously Amanda, a blog? Poor taste.

I reckon she has debt(s) up to her knees. I don't wish her ill but she should just stay the course and stay out of the news. Even if "convicted", I don't think Italian authorities can apprehend her stateside. What a mess her situation is.

i don't think she or her family has the cash to continue the payments on "Knox's public relations machine", so there aren't any wheels to come off.

she didn't do it, Charles. neither did Sollecito. that doesn't mean Italy isn't crazy &/or political, and that's why she should be worried.

What's an "Amanda Knox" and who cares what it does or what happens to it?

OK: a twenty-year old kid is behaving obnoxiously and not showing proper decorum; after all, someone died. On the other hand, there has never been a case against her (the cops literally presented as evidence the fact that her fingerprints could be found in her apartment, along with assorted unsupported lurid fantasies that amount to "young American girls are drug-crazed killer sluts who engage in miscegenation"), and for reasons that no-one has ever made clear Mudede has had a serious mental illness regarding her case for a couple of years now. So: Knox is no angel in her post-freedom activities. But she's not a murderer, and she's being held to an absurd standard by assholes like Mudede who insist based on nothing that she is.

Wait, you actually went there, Charles? Your obsession runs deep, doesn't it?

Amanda Knox is how to figure out how well people evaluate and parse information - if you gave it all a hard look and declared her guilty you need to go punch your community college teachers in the neck.

Using the age-old classification scheme developed here at The Stranger*, how should this article be classified/reclassified. It seems like Charles is more †††, while Slog is more ††.

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Amanda Knox did it.

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Or maybe not.

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No, she really did it.

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She's white and has sex, people! Stabby, stabby!

Its damn sad to watch Chuck free fall down this rabbit hole. Its one of those things that just invalidates any opinion you have about anything, ever again. Like being a 9-11 truther.

Instead [new prosecutor Alessandro Crini has] considered all the evidence as a whole. There might have been a fight about missing money and hygiene, he said, but motive doesn’t matter: murders happen all the time for banal reasons. And convictions happen on much less evidence.

Or maybe the guy with no relationship to Kercher or Knox, no business being in their apartment, and all of the physical and logic-enabled circumstantial evidence linking him to the crime... was the murderer!

Vogt is either an idiot or has spent too much time around the batshit Italian criminal system, or both.

Yes, convictions happen all the time on less evidence, in Italy, where evidence is not considered interesting, only theories, the more batshit the better. @6 is 100% correct.

@11: This. They already have the murderer. All the evidence points to the man currently in jail as the sole killer. Why anyone feels it necessary to weave a truly fantastical tale about satanic orgies or whatnot in order to draw in two other people who happened to live with the victim is beyond me.

@5 obviously you, since you took the time to post...

@7 A photo? Yawn. Vacationing in Umbria in early Fall is not real tough duty. Now, if Charles spent more than 20 minutes observing the court procedings last fall, I'm with you.

Had he finagled a visit to Seattleblows' alleged villa, THAT would be a subject of real interest on the Italian front!

I believe Miles put it more eloquently than I ever could.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DEC8nqT6R…

@9 I <3 you, Sandai.

Charles, you should be ashamed of yourself. http://lesswrong.com/lw/1j7/the_amanda_k…

Step off your prejudices, reject your old ways of thinking, and try rationally analyzing the situation.

I wonder why Charles didn't even mention Rudy Guede, the African immigrant who actually committed the crime. His DNA was found all over the bloody room the murder took place in, and his shit was in the toilet, he had a history of burglary, he admitted he was in the home when the murder took place (he claimed he was taking a shit when it happened and somehow taking a shit was so noisy he didn't hear Merridith being murdered 10 feet away in the next room), then he fled to Germany. Why no mention of him Charles?

Would Charles be so obsessed with falsely accusing Amanda of murder if it wasn't for the fact that the murderer was a black immigrant? What part does that play in Charles need to scapegoat? I wonder why all the babbling Charles does about Amanda he never mentions that Rudy admits he was in the home when the murder happened, his DNA was found all over the murder scene, and he had a history of burglary. Rudy claims he was making out with Merridth, went to the bathroom, came back 2 minutes later to find her brutually murdered, he didn't know what to do so he fled the country. And Charles thinks his story adds up more than Amandas?

I've always wondered why the Kercher's family, and the British more broadly, are so convinced that Guede did not act alone. As the Less Wrong post (thanks @18) describes, the likelihood of a sex-orgy-cult-killing that left no physical evidence is so much lower than a regular murder that left evidence. Why does the family and their country cling to an unlikely, fantastical, bad soap opera description when a simpler one is available and better supported? The psychology must be fascinating.

@20,

I think part of Charles' determination of guilt is that Knox blamed someone else for the murder (another African immigrant, not Guede) while also claiming that she was in the house when the murder occurred.

@20,

And, to be clear, I don't agree with his assessment. What happened to her boss as a result of the false accusation was shameful, but that's an issue with the Italian authorities *looking* for false information by grilling a supposed witness for hours without a break.

@#22, #23
As you suggest, there are serious concerns about the various claims about testimony given by Knox that have been used to implicate her; as I recall, she was interrogated for a very long time without legal counsel and without even competent translation services, while absurd and outlandish theories were lobbed at her; the extent to which she even endorsed these theories is unclear.

Thank you Charles Mudade. Andrea Vogt is an excellent source for this sad, horrific case. It's nice to see you commenting again. There are many MANY people in Seattle that believe Amanda Knox committed this heinous murder, and January 30th is just a couple of weeks away for us to hear the Supreme Court's verdict. I predict Guilty. For newcomers who would like to view court documents, trial testimony (most of it translated for you), and the Judge's reports (again, translated to English), please visit themurderofmeredithkercher.com

@25 I found that website as well, but if you keep reading from different sources, you'll see that much of the content of that website has been revealed to be pure propaganda. Be careful about your sources. The most that can really be said about the case is that the investigation was badly bungled and the prosecution completely biased. Meanwhile Guede, who almost certainly did commit murder, has been able to play off the doubts and controversy to get a reduced sentence.

@26: Supposedly Guede will be eligible for parole as early as this year. How fucked is that?

The evidence against Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito is overwhelming. They gave completely different accounts of where they were, who they were with and what they were doing on the night of the murder. Neither Knox nor Sollecito have credible alibis despite three attempts each. All the other people who were questioned had one credible alibi that could be verified. Innocent people don't give multiple conflicting alibis and lie repeatedly to the police.

The DNA didn't miraculously deposit itself in the most incriminating of places.

An abundant amount of Raffaele Sollecito's DNA was found on Meredith's bra clasp. His DNA was identified by two separate DNA tests. Of the 17 loci tested in the sample, Sollecito’s profile matched 17 out of 17. Professor Novelli pointed out there's more likelihood of meteorite striking the courtroom in Perguia than there is of the bra clasp being contaminated by dust.

According to Sollecito's forensic expert, Professor Vinci and Luciano Garofano, Knox's DNA was also on Meredith's bra.

Amanda Knox's DNA was found on the handle of the double DNA knife and a number of independent forensic experts - Dr. Patrizia Stefanoni, Dr. Renato Biondo, Professor Giuesppe Novelli, Professor Francesca Torricelli, Luciano Garofano, Elizabeth Johnson and Greg Hampikian - have all confirmed that Meredith’s DNA was on the blade. Sollecito knew that Meredith’s DNA was on the blade which is why he lied about accidentally pricking her hand whilst cooking.

According to the prosecution's experts, there were five instances of Knox's DNA or blood mixed with Meredith's blood in three different locations in the cottage. Even Amanda Knox's lawyers conceded that her blood had mingled with Meredith's blood. In other words, Meredith and Amanda Knox were both bleeding at the same time.

Knox tracked Meredith's blood into the bathroom, the hallway, her room and Filomena's room, where the break-in was staged. Knox's DNA and Meredith's blood was found mixed together in Filomena's room, in a bare bloody footprint in the hallway and in three places in the bathroom.

Rudy Guede's bloody footprints led straight out of Meredith's room and out of the house. This means that he didn't stage the break-in in Filomena's room or go into the blood-spattered bathroom after Meredith had been stabbed.

The bloody footprint on the blue bathmat in the bathroom matched the precise characteristics of Sollecito’s foot, but couldn’t possibly belong to Guede. Knox's and Sollecito's bare bloody footprints were revealed by Luminol in the hallway.

It's not a coincidence that the three people - Knox, Sollecito and Guede - who kept telling the police a pack of lies are all implicated by the DNA and forensic evidence.

Amanda Knox voluntarily admitted that she was involved in Meredith's murder in her handwritten note to the police on 6 November 2007. After she was informed that Sollecito was no longer providing her with an alibi, she stated on at least four separate occasions that she was at the cottage when Meredith was killed. At the trial, Sollecito refused to corroborate Knox's alibi that she was at his apartment.

Knox accused an innocent man, Diya Lumumba, of murdering Meredith despite the fact she knew he was completely innocent. She didn't recant her false and malicious allegation against Lumumba the whole time he was in prison. She acknowledged that it was her fault that Lumumba was in prison in an intercepted conversation with her mother on 10 November 2007.

If anybody wants to understand the reasons why Amanda Knox was convicted of murder, I recommend reading the translations of the official court documents and court testimony. They are available online at the Meredith Kercher Wiki website:

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Ma…

@27 completely fucked. It is fucked up how the circus surrounding this case has allowed a rapist and murderer to essentially be overlooked.

@28: curious - how did you find this site? your name indicates you're british &/or a kinks fan. the length of your post indicates you live in you ma's basement.

you're simply incorrect about so very much. occam's razor will set you free.

ak still has no alibi and if you think this is no biggie, then go tell the Kercher family. they no longer have a daughter.

http://themurderofmeredithkercher.com/Th…

@32:

ak still has no alibi and if you think this is no biggie, then go tell the Kercher family. they no longer have a daughter.

Jesus Fucking Christ! What a piece of shit appeal to emotion. An alibi is simply a defense you can use. If you don't have an alibi, it doesn't mean you are automatically guilty, dipshit.

@31: The only time that @Harry_Rag has commented on Slog has been about Amanda Knox. And @Candy_is_BAD_for_you and @stuff just joined to comment about Amanda Knox. Three fucking troll accounts. I'm betting they are all the same person.

Here is @Harry Rag's twitter account. Nearly 8,400 tweets about Amanda Knox. If you do a Google search (3,530 results) you will find this person has posted on almost every internet forum he could find since at least 2009 with multiple cases of being uncovered or accused as a sock puppet. You will also find dozens of threads of people discussing his motivation and possible identity. Whatever the case, this person spams each forum with the same information. It is seriously fucking creepy.

Hey, sock puppet idiot, you really don't understand how DNA works. The stuff is not literally indestructible, but it's VERY durable. OF COURSE his DNA is all over his girlfriend's apartment! In addition to all the skin flakes he shed there, sperm are nothing but little balls of concentrated DNA with a tail. You don't think after you come that all that DNA just vanishes into the ether, do you? That shit is going EVERYWHERE.

Say Knox gives him a blow job with hand assist. She now has huge amounts of his DNA glazing her lips and hands. Does she scrub herself with an entire container of bleachy baby wipes and pack them up in a biohazard bag, to avoid getting his scary DNA on anything? No, she goes to the sink and turns on the water, smearing a palm-print with a rich layer of his DNA onto the faucet handle as she touches it, and washes her hands. Now does she proceed to disinfect that handle before shutting the water off? No, she just turns it off (recontaminating her hand, if she actually succeeded in cleaning it well in the first place, which I doubt) then goes back to bed, leaving the handle covered in his DNA. Then in the morning Kercher comes along, unwittingly wipes up a bunch of his DNA onto HER hand from the handle, and proceeds to rub that DNA all over her bra clasp. OMG, SHE USED HER OWN HAND TO FASTEN HER BRA!!! OH, THE HUMANITY!!!!

And don't even get me started about where all the DNA splotches shaped like Knox's butt might end up if they do PIV without a condom. In short: every horizontal surface in the apartment. All of which are regularly touched by Kercher's hands and clothing. I'd be surprised only if there was anything in that apartment on which you COULDN'T find his DNA.

@37

If DNA gets everywhere as you claim why was Sollecito's DNA only found on the victim's bra and a mixed sample with Knox on the butt of a cigarette in the kitchen?

There were several hundred samples taken yet despite your unnecessarily sexually graphic explanation of DNA transfer Sollecito's DNA was in none of the other samples.

How do you explain that?

Nothing like some good old British tabloid driven provincialism to remind oneself, that the old country is truly backwards at times.

It's all moot anyways, IMO, as the concept of double jeopardy is absolutely abhorrent in a "free country."

Vogt is full of shit and so are you, Charles. In fact, what a pathetic excuse for a human being you are.

Charles, you know you're doing the right thing when AK's rabid attack proxies come after you in force with their usual insults. It's as predictable as mass media lies.

Do not be dissuaded by the people who choose to protect murderers. These folks know AK & RS are guilty. So what kind of people spend years preventing true justice from prevailing? The kind of people who fall clearly within the psychopathic spectrum -- just like AK!

@33: An alibi is simply a defense you can use. She tried THREE TIMES for this defense and could not come up with even ONE. That is not the sign of somebody who is completely innocent...

Holy shit. They really are like the 9/11-Truther psychos.

"But I read on a website that Amanda Knox once glanced at a photo of Building 7! How can you deny such proof!?"

@46: How is it that Guede left his DNA and other evidence all over the crime scene, but Knox and Sollecito did not? How does one have a drug-fueled orgy, culminating in a brutal stabbing death, without leaving DNA evidence?

Probably there was a robbery within 10 miles of my house yesterday, much of which I spent alone. I don't have an alibi; am I guilty of anything?

Charles is still working on that angle to sell a script titled "Misogynists, Witch Burners, & wannabe Journalists Unite." And Sigmund Freud said "sometimes a cigar is just a cigar" Mudede's ill informed position says more about him.
For some facts on this case...you can start here.

http://blog.seattlepi.com/dempsey/2010/1…

http://www.injusticeinperugia.org/

@46 -- Her story doesn't quite check out because she was being interrogated in Italian without a proper translator. Why would she "confess" to having been there herself when the murder took place, and then point the finger at Lumumba rather than Guede? According to Knox, the police badgered her for an answer about what black men she knew and wouldn't let her out of the room until she named one.

#51-knoxs and sollecitos original versions of their movements on that night were not substantiated by phone and computer records. Sollecito crumbled when confronted by this and admitted that knox told him to tell a pack of lies . When knox was informed of this she very quickly changed her version and implicated the totally innocent Lumumba because he was the last person she texted and it suited her new story..She was helped by the translator Donnino and she signed it off after checking it with Donnino.All this was completed within 2 hours and the time then was 1.45 am, a far cry from the totally fabricated claim of 4 days interrogation.

@52 -- You know we can see what your account looks like, right?

How come posts on Amanda Knox's probable guilty verdict still bring out the crazies in 2014 ?

There are verifiable sources out there. The Massei report, that was issued by the Italian Justice to detail the proceedings of the first trial that found Knox, Sollecito and Guede guilty , has been translated in English. Why don't you really go read it and make your own opinion out of it, instead of spouting pro-Knox hearsay ?

Access here : http://truejustice.org/ee/documents/peru…

The second trial, that freed Sollecito and Knox, has been annuled, but I'm sure many of its proceedings are online as well. Go find them !

@Amanda and Warren_Terra : "Her story doesn't quite check out because she was being interrogated in Italian without a proper translator" , "as I recall, she was interrogated for a very long time without legal counsel and without even competent translation services" : what you recall is propaganda. It's simply false. A proper translator was called as soon as she started incriminating herself. Knox was not scheduled to be interrogated that night, only Sollecito was. But he broke her alibi saying she hadn't slept at his house, she then was asked if she would like to testify as a witness and she accepted. And then, she spontaneously placed herself at the crime scene ! That's when Italian police began to take a real interest in her, and stopped asking questions until an assermented translator arrived. The whole interrogation took less than 2 hours - but how much it has been spinned, to cover for the fact that Knox essentially went up to the Italian cops to say she had been there ! She did even worse : she freely submitted a written statement later that night, calling it "the best truth that I have been able to think", where she said she remembered Meredith's death cry (a fact that was witnessed, but had not yet been told to police) and that somehow, her boss Patrick the black man had been there !

@clashfan : there was Guede's DNA on the body, not anywhere else. There was Sollecito's DNA on a torn piece of bra found under the body, not anywhere else. There was Knox's DNA on the murder weapon, and mixed traces of Knox's and the victim's bloods on several places. Although Knox did live there, there was absolutely no DNA of Knox and only a fingerprint of hers in the entire flat. That points to a thorough cleanup.

@ScrawnyKayaker : do you how long had Sollecito been Knox's boyfriend ? Only one week ! But, postal police found Knox and Sollecito right in the middle of a clean-up when they showed up unanounced, the morning after the murder, to bring back the recovered phones of the murder victim. At that point nobody had yet entered the room nor found the body.

@d.p. and MRM : "Or maybe the guy with no relationship to Kercher or Knox, no business being in their apartment... was the murderer !" "All the evidence points to the man currently in jail as the sole killer"

Rudy Guede was an acquaintance of the house. He commited sexual assault on Kercher, no doubt about it. But he didn't have the key to the house, nor the key to the victim's room, and he rushed out with blood on the sole of his shoes without turning back : a witness saw him at a dance club later that night.

Meredith's body sustained 43 wounds. She was an athletic girl. There were almost no defensive wounds. That points to her being strongly restrained while attacked : there where more than one attacker.

Also the crime scene the morning after was inconsistent with Guede having been the sole perpretator. The morning after there was a badly staged break-in in another room. Why would Guede have staged it ? How did he come in, more exactly, who let him inside the locked flat ? The morning after there was no obvious blood in the hallway, only luminol permitted to see Guede's foodsteps going to the flat's door. Who ckeaned Guede's foodprints out ? The morning after Meredith Kercher's body was found inside her locked room ; in that room was also Knox's bedlamp. Who locked the victim's room ? Guede didn't have that key, and didn't leave any fingerprints on her door, bloody or otherwise.

Of all the residents of the flat, only Knox was in Perugia that night, and once Sollecito began to testify that she had not spent the night with him, she was without an alibi.

@fnarf "Yes, convictions happen all the time on less evidence, in Italy, where evidence is not considered interesting, only theories, the more batshit the better."

Cruise the interwebs a bit, and you'll find out that exactly what you say about Italy, is what the whole rest of the world says about the US.

@randomthoughts :

You do know that injusticeinperugia is a conspiracy theory website, headed by Bruce Fisher, someone who's trying to use the Knox case to become someone ? All there is to know about Bruce Fisher : http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?…

As for Dempsey, pictures of her stalking the victim's family :
http://www.truejustice.org/ee/index.php?…

Shorter @54:

"9/11 was an inside job! Wake up, sheeple!"

Shorter d.p. :

"Me !"

You wrote fifteen paragraphs of
privileging the hypothesis, @57.

You're a conspiracy theorist, whether or not you are capable of recognizing yourself as such.

I'm interested in the whereabouts of RS and Ak in the course of the evening of the murder. I've read many old news stories and current pro/anti Knox sites but remain confused. Did AK's book clear this up, or RS's, or anyone's? I don't know what to make of this case, like a lot of people, maybe the majority of people.

Andrea Vogt is a lying hag who makes a living sucking on Mignini's dick.

Vogt also has crazy and unkempt eyebrows.

I'll pass on your recommendation to read Vogt's idiotic and skewed nonsense which defies common sense.

Andrea Vogt is a lying hag who makes a living sucking on Mignini's dick.

Vogt also has crazy and unkempt eyebrows.

I'll pass on your recommendation to read Vogt's idiotic and skewed nonsense which defies common sense.

Bruce Fischer is a crook, a liar and a con man. He has been bankrupt twice for misappropriation of funds and he is in this just for the money.

All of you who think she is innocent need to quit getting your information from a PR campaign created to paint picture of a squeaky clean honor student abroad and look at the facts. Yes facts people: you can't get your information from her PR team. Read the Massei Report. Those are facts. Italy is not Iraq-they are very civilized and modern. I read the report and they have a TON of evidence against this girl. It's not all contaminated, insignificant or circumstantial. Do a little but more research and start to understand that American tv is often biased. This girl was involved it's very obvious to anyone who knows the facts.