Troll harder. This is pretty lame.

It's Trayvon, champ. Guess that should be chump.

The difference between Charles the intellectual troll and an actual thinker at the calibre/esteem that Charles imagines himself: he has would have moved on from the Stranger to something better after a couple of years. Muedede has been pontificating and going nowhere for 15 now. Trollin 4 Lyfe~

Well, there is also the difference that Martin physically attacked Zimmerman, whereas Lane did not attack his killers.

@6 omg another eyewitness! Why didn't you testify? Coulda saved Georgie some time and money!

7 http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/…

Let's see... similarities between the two murders. 1. Committed by bored psychopaths 2. Against innocent people 3. Of a different race than the perp. Differences: 1. Zimmerman walked 2. The teenagers knew they were bored psychopaths and were pretty open about that. Zimmerman, on the other hand, seems to think he was being a genuinely helpful and concerned citizen. 3. The right wing is eager to play into Zimmerman's delusion, making the case that Martin deserved to be slaughtered because he was a "thug" 4. It is difficult to imagine the right wing being so accommodating if Martin weren't a black teenager. 5. So both senseless killings are used by the right wing to perpetuate the narrative that black teenagers are thugs.

#6, 9

Only by hearsay witnesses observing the fight -- if there was one -- from a distance, at night with rain.

My suspicion is that Zimmerman simply killed Martin in cold blood and then staged a fight, post-mortem, to cover his tracks.

That's what a psychopath would do.

Yes, there are many differences, some small, some large, between the two cases. But, now that you're all relaxed and calm after your morning session of kneejerk Mudede bashing, do any of you not see that he has correctly identified the single most important difference?

It's kind of apples and oranges. George Zimmerman and Trayvon Martin were engaged in a physical altercation. Christopher Lane was shot in the back while jogging. Of course the latter case is going to be more cut and dried and the punishment more severe.

11, A witness giving an account of what he saw is not hearsay. But, I'm sure your account is more accurate. It's not that I don't believe in your psychic powers, and your ability to prove the eyewitness wrong, but how do we convince a jury that you have magical visions, and mind reading capabilities?

@13 - a physical altercation. A grown ass man carrying a piece harasses a 17 year old kid to the point where the kid (rightfully) feared for his life, fought back against the grown ass man carrying a gun, was shot and killed by the grown ass man, and that, to you, is a 'physical altercation.'

You are one sick fuck, to look at the facts of this case and see it as anything other than the execution of a black kid in the south. But take heart, you share your views with roughly fifty million other sick fucks, so I guess you can just go around calling that an opinion.

Zimmerman should've fried. You better believe that at least the two black kids are going to fry.

@15 I am just sorry that the jury did not have access to your iron-clad proof and was forced to rule not guilty because of reasonable doubt. Sometimes it seems as if our system of justice was designed with a crazy principle of having to prove guilt, and that it's better to let a guilty man go free than to convict an innocent man. What a fuckin' sham!

Also, yes, that does literally count as a "physical altercation," you fucking idiot. Just because you are 100% convinced you know who started it (because the media! who needs evidence and trials n shit!) doesn't magically make it cease to be a physical altercation.

I find it extremely funny that one side invalidates the other side's take on the events by claiming that they were not there, while proclaiming that their version of events must be correct, even though they were also not there.

None of you were there ya morons. Either believe the people who were or do not believe them, but do not pretend your take is more "correct" just because you want it to be true.

@14,

No witness saw the beginning of the altercation. Therefore, you have no basis for claiming that Trayvon started it. In short, stop lying.

@13,

It's not apples and oranges when Zimmerman didn't face any arrest or charges for 40 days.

Comments about how Treyvon was anything except a victim make me very sad. How can such ignorance be given any platform at all. Anyone who says this crap should be shunned from a civil society.

18, Okay, that is true. The witness doesn't know who started the fight. The just witness said he saw Martin on top of Zimmerman beating Zimmerman. The police, the treating paramedics, and physicians said that Zimmerman had wounds to his face, his nose appeared broken, and the back of his head had been lacerated. The officer on the scene said that the back of Zimmerman's clothes were encrusted with dirt and debris.

In contrast, Martin only had wounds to his knuckles in addition to the gunshot wound.

http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/auto…

A 21-year old black transgender woman named Islan Nettles was murdered two weekends ago in Harlem. No charges have been filed against her murderer except misdemeanor assault and harassment (filed before she died in the hospital).

Her murderer was a 20-year old black man in an obvious hate crime. The intersection between his race and her race and transgender status make his punishment very uncertain.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/24/nyregi…

6, your point makes no difference. sure, it was brought up by Z's lawyers as justification, and the jury bought it (according to the fucked FL law). but what is also not in doubt: Z stalked T. Z was specifically told not to engage him by the cops. Z confronted & provoked T. all while armed w/ a gun. then, we only have Z's word that he was attacked, perhaps he was. who threw the first punch makes no difference. Z created the situation all on his own. sure, yeah, if T had been Jesus or Buddha or Gandhi, then everything would have been fine. but he wasn't. T was just another schmoe like you or me, except that he was a black teenager, and thus had a target already on him before he even left the house.

listen, why don't you take your gun, go to FL & shoot some random black kid. you know you want to. or perhaps you're just living vicariously thru Z, whacking off at the thought of living in a racially pure society where only good white people live. trouble is, you'll soon turn on each other, because your desire is not to live a good life, but to kill. yeah, you'd like to kill 'righteously', kill the 'bad people,' but the evidence is overwhelming & history has decided: people like Z are interested in killing first, justifying it second.

As was exhaustively demonstrated in court, the main difference is that Chris Lane was unable to defend himself against his assailant. Thankfully, Zimmerman was.

22, Here's a transcript of the 911 call.
http://www.wftv.com/news/news/local/auto…
Zimmerman did stop following Martin, and Zimmerman didn't know where Martin was at the end of the call. Zimmerman arranged to meet with the police at a set location.

“@AnnCoulter: How a Miami School Crime Cover-Up Policy Led to Trayvon Martin’s Death - http://bit.ly/15w33B0”

Had Trayvon been in jail where he belonged he wouldn't have been there to get himself justifiably killed.

Jesus, Alan Colmes. Have some self-respect and tell Fox to go fuck themselves the next time they call and ask you to be their token liberal. You're not doing anyone any favors. Except Fox, of course.

@25 is a perfect example of malignant white culture.

Has Fox apologized for running the misidentified pictures of the three black boys as the Lane shooters, even though only one of them was black? The other two were white and Hispanic. Of course, to racist assholes like Rob in Baltimore and robot ghost, black-on-white crime is the central narrative in every case.

I especially like @25's assertion that Martin "should have been in jail" for marijuana possession. Thank heavens that never applied to me the hundreds of times I possessed marijuana in high school.

28, Yes, posting factual information, and providing links to back it up is so racist.

It is on Slog, Rob.

@24: This is a link to the article detailing Zimmerman's injuries versus Martin's, not a transcript of the 911 call. His written confession stated Martin was the engager and the aggressor- at exactly the point the call ends. Conjecture is conjecture, but nobody can say for certain who started the fight. And Martin's knuckles were the only injuries to his body apart from the gunshot wound only means he was winning.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/97802972/Georg…