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Does the WSLCB fuck up everything it touches?
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@1 I thought that was part of their mission statement.
3
This is terrible. I prefer hash oil because one does not cough so much.
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You could just grow your own. That's what most people do.
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Most people certainly do not grow their own.
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@4. Except that making concentrates is difficult and depending on the method quite dangerous.
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Uhhh, I have high quality hash oil for sale. Always have had, will continue to have. Please contact me for all your medical concentrate needs. godisweed@yahoo.com
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@4 and then just whip up your own hash/hash oil/shatter/wax. no problem!
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@8... Just be sure to do it safely. Many disregard simple safety rules and blow themselves up. Like growing, extraction does require knowledge and responsible behavior. Do it wrong and you may die...;-D Uhhh, that applies to extraction...growing, not so much..;-D
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Arg. I really wish we'd run with the dispensary model for 5+ years before going full legalization. Oh well, we're here now. Time to fight for the right things. No more black markets for mj-infused products.
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@6 - Yep. Some neighbors of mine just burnt their house down attempting just that.
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Cheese and crackers, prohibition DOES. NOT. FUCKING. WORK!
13
I like hash too and all, but if they said "hey, most of the country outlaws liquor, but you're allowed everything but gin" I'd still count myself lucky?

Let's stop pretending we're NOT one federal lawsuit away from this whole thing crumbling underneath our feet, okay?
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Want to see how it is made?

http://money.cnn.com/video/news/2013/04/…
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i don't even know what "shatter" or "wax" is.
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Does Eugene (of A Greener Today in Rainier Beach, let's assume) pay taxes on his hash sales? Just as relevant as the % of his business.
"kinda known for around here" != avoiding a DEA letter. A pretty crystalline example of the Both Ways Now crowd and the profit motives in it that could sink the chances for the recreational market.
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@3 I never pegged you for a head - how funny!

If the legal market can't compete with the black market on any factor like quality, price, or variety of products, the black market will continue to thrive. That is absolutely NOT the intent of 502, but leave it to the jackasses at the LCB to fuck this up however they can.

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It's going to become very evident that medical cannabis patients cannot be tied to the I-502 debacle. No concentrates? What will cancer patients do for Rick Simpson oil? Patients depend on concentrates...now they'll be illegal.

I hope Ben wasn't referring to me as an "anti-legalization pothead". I don't know how many ways I can say that I support REAL legalization....and this isn't it!

Steve Sarich
Cannabis Action Coalition
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@13 is right. Yes, this is a stupid restriction, but still way better than the status quo. Until recently, you had to go to liquor store to buy hard alcohol, even though you could get beer and wine in a regular store. That makes no sense, but that is the law. As it is, you can't buy 90% alcohol in this state. It is illegal. No one whines about that except the people who want to use that alcohol for non-drinking purposes like fuel for stoves, varnishing, making extracts (including -- you guessed it -- cannabis extracts).
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Instead of being cynical... Be happy they produced a DRAFT so things like this can be worked out before it is implemented?
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@19 the problem is that, _ on paper_, this is liberal compared to the previous status quo. But the _actual_ status quo is more liberal. The real status quo is that anyone who wants to can buy all the high quality hash and oil they want in nice stores at nice prices.

it also really invites a black market, not just because of people wanting the product but also because of growers wanting something useful to do with pounds of trim.
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Oh, and making alcohol based hash doesn't sound that complicated: http://weedsmokersguide.com/high-quality…
Way easier than making beer (which was illegal until the late 70s). Since there are lots of ways of making hash (some of them sound extremely dangerous for the makers and users) I can understand why the state punted. Of course, it means that people will continue to do stupid and unsafe things in an attempt to make hash (which is bad) but it means the state can focus on the rest of the regulations (which are complicated enough). I for one want to know if the weed I buy is treated with pesticides or herbicides or some other nasty funky chemical. Right now, the state does nothing to regulate that (even in the medical marijuana market, which has been around a while).

I'll make my own hash (or wait until the state starts regulating it).
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Of course the rules will be stupid. The people making them don't even know what hash is. But if you want hash so bad wouldn't you be happier buying herbs at a store then making your own bubble hash at home? Butane hash is shit anyway. You are smoking butane. Seems like a good way to get cancer.
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I would not be surprised if that gets changed but even if not, I can think of a number of ways to circumvent that. E.g. suspend in water or some other easily removed or inert substance.

I could really give a fuck about the future of the corrupt and rather silly medical industry. It should be integrated.
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@21 -- What?! Where can I buy "all the high quality hash and oil they want in nice stores at nice prices"? I know of no place anywhere where I can buy that legally. I suppose if I had an ailment that required treatment I could buy weed legally, but I don't. All you are saying is that we have a great way to break the law now, so don't mess with it. That doesn't make any sense, really. Besides, even if I break the law and fake an ailment to get some nice hashish at the local co-op, I have no idea what is in there, since there is no regulation. I might get some good organically grown, properly made hashish or I might get some chemically laden slop. Lacking regulatory oversight, you never know what you are getting (unless you happen to make it yourself).

Furthermore, the patients who depend on the dispensaries will continue to use them. At worse, they will be taxed (something I oppose). At best, they will see more regulation, which means that they will have a better idea of what it is they are buying.

Might this invite a black market for hashish? Sure. But there already is a huge black market. Overall this will greatly reduce it. In general, this is just like @13 suggested. Great progress, but not the final step.

Personally, I think the worries over the black market are way overblown. You can avoid paying taxes for cigarettes (which are higher than the cost of the cigarettes) but hardly anyone does that. Most people just buy them at the 7-11. Likewise, it is way cheaper to make your own beer (or buy someone's home brew) but most people just buy it at the store.
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@4: no, they don't. where the fuck do you live?
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@18 - I think we both agree it would be better that hash is legally available to those who need or want it, but to argue this entire bill is crap because select "patients" are hurt by it—
Are you contending that the previous "medical marijuana" system was patronized only by, or even predominantly by, marijuana users with medical conditions who used out of necessity? Because that would be to argue that no one should be using marijuana recreationally.
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What surprises me is that they have a "no minors" policy, while liquor stores allowed minors in the presence of adults. What about single parent tokers?
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http://blog.seattlepi.com/marijuana/2013…

The Seattle PI has a comment from the WSLCB that says they are not really against selling concentrates, it's just not really provided for in the legal language of I-502, and they decided to ban it on the advice of their lawyers. So we should either be kicking ourselves/Allison Holcomb/whoever for not putting some specific language about hash into the bill, or we should acknowledge that this will be a very messy process and it will probably be awhile before we get it the way we like it. But in the meantime, we have legal marijuana and 48 other states don't.
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You can't call it medicinal or therapeautic under their rules, yet you have to test and label a bunch of different cannabinoids. What's the point of testing for anything other than THC if not for medical purposes?

The costs to be in this business model will drive out mom & pops.

Oh yeah...and now even investors will have to get criminal backgrounds checks and submit fingerprints and prove their money did not come from criminal activities. It doesn't clarify if money obtained through operating a collective garden counts as criminal activity.
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@17: Not really a 'head' dear, as in the Cheech and Chong sense, but when you get to my advanced age the 'vitamin green' is so helpful with the aches and pains, especially the stomach issues from Rx.
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I can't believe the idiots who think we have "legalization" now and are perfectly happy to accept that hash possession will now be a crime. Are you all friggin NUTS? I don't care if YOU go to jail, but I certainly care that a patient with cancer, using Rick Simpson oil to treat it, goes to state prison because he's now using a "concentrate".

And don't keep making the argument that "there are a lot of people with recommendations without any qualifying conditions".....I'll agree with you....and we'll stop that. If we do will you quit trying to throw all of the truly sick patients under the LCB bus? Don't use those who cheat the system to punish the rest of us!!!

I spoke at the march last weekend, but I'm physically not able to walk the march myself, as much as I'd like to be able to do that. You think I'm "faking" my condition too?

Most patients are legitimate....believe it or not. The others will get weeded out. Bottom line? It's not your damn problem and quit using it as an excuse to attack those of us who are legitimate patients!

YOU voted for this SH**....we knew better. We actually READ I-502.

Steve Sarich
Cannabis Action Coalition
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@32: Steve wrote, "idiots [...] are perfectly happy to accept that hash possession will now be a crime"

Rules from the board of alcohol and cannabis don't affect the legality of possession.
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Gee, an initiative wasn't clear and now we are fumbling for answers? Wow...
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Well @32, Phil Mocek, they are prohibited based on the state controlled substances act. OH...you forgot...its still NOT legal here in the state of Washington and all the prohibitions against hash and other concentrates were never removed from the state codes. The are STILL illegal and that's why they're being sited by the wonks at the Liquor Control Board.

I guess you should have paid attention in the I-502 "beginners class"....but you weren't listening...and apparently Ben wasn't either.

ITS STILL NOT LEGAL...dumbshit! Argue with the LCB....don't argue with me! I didn't write, or support this bull***. Apparently you did. Attack the Liquor Control Board....not me. I guarantee you that I had NOTHING to do with their rules.

RCW 69.50.354....read it and weep. Oh..."but IT'S LEGAL"!

You just shouldn't be this stupid Phil and still arguing this topic.

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i found some hash on a bench on volunteer park a while back, if anyone wants it :)
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p.s. how long does it keep? it doesn't look the same as it did when i found it. it was in a little plastic jar which i stashed up high in a cabinet after figuring out what it was. i came across it again when i was cleaning the other day and it looks all dried out now.
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Poor stoners. And here you thought that I-502 was going to legalize marijuana.
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By the way, I especially liked comment #27. I agree with the disparagement of "medical marijuana." It was always a ruse, and now the stoners are ready to move on. Oh, and all you people who DO use pot as medicine? Now you know what pawns you always were.
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Just curious

Pressed Kief is hash. Water extraction is hash. Neither contain anything harmful...all cannabis. But are they considered concentrates? Or is this all about BHO, etc?

and come to think of it...when an I502 petition was first passed around...a friend refused to sign it...guess why? NO HASH-was the number one reason they gave to not like the initiative.

There was a mixed community on this for a reason...now it has passed and we have to deal with the law that was passed.
I genuinely hope still that everything works out in a way that well, works.
The only way to ensure that it does is to quit arguing over whether we should or should not have voted for it and work together to ensure the LCB at least uses some vasoline.
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I think that butane extracted cannabis should be highly regulated if not banned. Legal perhaps only for medical patients, but in the end legal retailers of BHO and or the means to make it IE mass amounts of butane, lab equipment, should require its customers to present a business license, ID, and clean background checks. I believe it should be illegal for these retailers to sell Korean or poorly made gas because of the impurities and lack of regulation at these refineries, leading to the inability to properly purge all contaminants without the use of a secondary organic solvent, or potentially not at all. It is to easy to watch someone make "wax" or BHO the wrong way and then think it is OK to produce "medicine" or recreational smoke that is improperly purged and potentially contains an array of said contaminants from plant matter, petroleum distillate, paraffin wax, grease from machinery used to process gas at the refinery, etc... etc... Or in other words POISON. Unless you are a licensed lab/facility, with access to the correct machinery, clean gas, and are able to legally market your product; you should really think twice before you endanger yours and everyone else's lives around you. A decade ago when BHO started to surface to the public, we were buying "honey oil" pretty much straight from the pan it seemed... from legal medical dispensaries mind you, and it was like a rice krispies commercial, snap crackle pop and often a flaming, boiling bowl of oil! If you do not know what you are smoking, don't buy it. If you do not understand the chemistry and danger behind making Butane Extracts, nor posses the means of making it in a sealed system, and then properly purging it. PLEASE, leave it to professionals. Ice water, dry ice and regular sift, perhaps even alcohol extracts... knock your selves out but please be legal and safe no matter what it is you are doing. Cannabis and such products of and containing it should be made with love and the intention of helping someone feel better or have a good time, not something that can potentially make someone very ill or severely injured.

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