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If it was domestic extremists, why did they not more directly target a symbol of the government, as opposed to its citizens?
If it was an Islamist group, why are they not claiming credit for what (from their perspective) was a resounding success?
It's also possible that it may have been the work of a lone lunatic with an agenda, like the one who called firefighters to lure them into an ambush. Given that no evidence has been made public yet, I think it's unwise to speculate.
A miscellaneous crowd of runners does not really fit the bill. Seems more like a homegrown muslim terrorist, with the multiple homemade bombs, and the indiscriminate targeting of a crowd of people.
Right and left wing political terrorism is about tearing down a particular segment of society, whereas the islamofacist bombings tend to be more about just killing as many people as possible so that they do not feel safe anywhere.
(Because horrifically blowing up the families of the Newtown victims would TOTALLY make people stop supporting gun reform. I don't pretend to find it a compelling argument, but I can see how a gun nut would.)
2, RTFA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Spokan…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Centennial_…
Weird....
But just as likely, we could be looking at another Rudolph type of a situation.
I'm enjoying the media reaction, especially Tom Brokaw lamenting the loss of innocence of his grandchildren, as if domestic bombings in America are something new.
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1919_United…)
If you look at our history, this type of attack is fairly common.
Durp durp durp.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/…
They do, however, run the stories that CNN, MSNBC, and the other nutso liberal media outlets refuse to run. And smirk if you want, but there are plenty of them.
Just like communists, socialists and anarchists then.
If you hate Moslem extremists then, why does the left always try to blame America for their terrorism?
So much for Mr. Rationality.
I do not mean to say we should not mourn and explore what led up to this tragedy, but it is also of prime importance that we do not let irrational fears dictate our path. It sounds trite, and it is, but if we let such rare events change our national identity, the terrorists win.
The Mohammedans believe in small government, individual liberty and free enterprise? That's news to me. All the countries they run are marked by government intrusion into life, business and property as well as government control of huge sections of the economy and total disregard for private property rights.
In those days, the bombings tended to be targeted towards infrastructure - the George Jackson brigade here in the NW bombed Safeways and Utility stuff, and almost every university had at least one bombing or arson.
We didn't lose our heads over it. But those groups didn't normally target civilians, either - outside of some of the stuff white racists did in the south.
http://www.armedforcesjournal.com/2009/1…
"The Taliban’s positive political program has at least five aspects: Justice, micropolitics, reconciliation, laissez-faire and democracy...the Taliban’s political program is also furthered by their “do no harm” approach to the central drivers of local politics and economies."
This is hella off topic though.
Call me a dumbass all you want - you're the one who cited infowars. You'll never see me citing some far out partisan news source for anything. Not even Mother Jones, whose work is Pulitzer worthy.
This just smells too much like another attempt at what the failed 2010 Times Square bombing was intended to do: “to kill Americans.”
This is what defying government looks like. Suck it.
I think that, for most of us, the fundamentalist differs from the groups you mention above because he would legally regulate our moral decisions in the name of deity or deities whose existence can merely be posited, empirical evidence of any kind being conspicuously absent.
That said, someone plants a bomb, I don't care if he worships YHWH, Allah, the almighty dollar, the right to self-governance, or unpasteurized cheeses.
I reserve my "hate," so much as I indulge it at all, for actions; I hate no one for the group(s) to which he happens to belong or even for the contents of his head (though I may grow to hate him more the more I'm forced to endure the contents of his head). But no atrocious acts happen in a vacuum. It's not a matter of blame, but of analyzing chains of causation and accepting some piece of the responsibility.
That's what grown-ups do. Only children find satisfaction in pointing a finger and shouting, "His fault!"
And it's personal with me, so I don't care what their "argument" is anymore.
That said, no, nobody in America has died as a result of extreme leftwing violence since then.
Convince me that the Boston Marathon is a symbol that they would be likely to attack...
My guess is it's someone like Eric Rudolph. Rudolph's bombs were designed specifically to injure and kill lots of random people, scare people, and make the government look inept.
Rudolph is an extremist "christian" shit head. Anti socialist, anti abortion, anti gay bigot.
I would not be at all surprised if this bomber is just like him.
When it includes blowing up innocent people.
From the AP: "The two bombs that ripped through the crowds at the Boston Marathon, killing three people and wounding more than 170, were fashioned out of pressure cookers and packed with shards of metal, nails and ball bearings, a person briefed on the investigation said Tuesday."
Huh? What about Eric Rudolph? Or that right-wing asshole who attacked a *daycare* center several years ago? You're giving domestic terrorists way too much credit.
@4,
The thing about domestic terrorism is that it's almost always committed by "lone wolves". Right-wing extremist groups are extremely careful to encourage violence and to give individuals the tools to commit terrorism, but not to organize it themselves, because that would be illegal.
You’re thinking of Bill Ayers. In 1969 he co-founded the Weather Underground, a self-described communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings (including police stations, the U.S. Capitol Building, and the Pentagon) during the 1960s and 1970s.
Ayers and Obama know each other as a result of meetings/ working with one another and living in the same neighborhood since the mid 1990s. Obama launched his Illinois Senate campaign from a fund raiser-at Ayers home.
But, of course, there’s nothing unusual, or questionable, about a President who launched his career from the living room of the unrepentant founder of a communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings. Right?
"fuck you islamists and fuck you right wing conspiracy theory nutjobs. you are all ignorant assholes"
"But, of course, there’s nothing factual in claiming that a President launched his career from the living room of the unrepentant founder of a communist revolutionary group that conducted a campaign of bombing public buildings. Right?"
Hell, we've had TWO presidents (Nixon and Reagan) whose springboard to the White House was the Red Scare, the second greatest denial of Constitutional Rights in American history, after Jim Crow. Talk about guys with actual blood on their hands.
YGBKM, take note. You side with murderers. According to your logic, anyway.
My guess, based on plenty of research:
It was one grade-A selfish asshole.
In fact, it might have been two assholes but I don't want to overbid.
Every urban gang killing in the USA since that's pretty much 99% Democrat turf engaged in 'wealth redistribution'.
Similar pressure-cooker explosives have been used in Afghanistan, India, Nepal and Pakistan, according to a July 2010 intelligence report by the FBI and Homeland Security. Also, one of the three devices used in the May 2010 Times Square attempted bombing was a pressure cooker, the report said.”
1) Evangelizing talking points
2) Spreading FUD
3) Causing doubt and confusion
4) Defaming the President
5) Hating America
Where in the hell did I "side" with anyone??? I have simply speculated that this was most likely the work of an Islamic extremist, followed, in my opinion, at a very distant, and unlikely, second place by a Leftist Anarchist.
Whoever did it should be strung up from a lamp-post with piano wire, and certainly does not speak for any movement I would "side" with.
I'm just kind of amazed at the Left's apparent delight in contemplating the possibility of it being an domestic agent, instead of a foreign enemy... Seems like if anyone has sided with anyone it is the Left with foreign radicals.
I guess that "hoping" it was a foreign agent instead of an American makes me a xenophobic racist in your eyes. Your apparent "hope" that it was an American makes you a traitor in my eyes.
Funny thing is, though, that I suspect we both believe this was done by a religious extremest and that we are both horrified by it.
While the left has certainly committed violence, it hasn't committed nearly enough (especially in recent years) to justify you suspecting them above all other non-Islamist possibilities. This incident certainly could have been left-wing terrorists, but only in the same sense that it could be anybody for all we know right now. What you've created isn't a list of suspects so much as a list of "people you hope it was."
As for me, I'll be waiting for actual information with all the other non-dipshits before I declare any theories. Until then, it could feasibly be the work of anyone from the Weather Underground to the Birch Society to what remains of Al Qaeda.
I have two pressure cookers: both electric, one Harvest Gold, one Avocado. They're great for a quick pot roast or chicken, maybe a quick stew, or pleasing soup. But THAT is IT.
Seriously. How barbaric.
If you walk that back, I'll walk my assertion back, too. If you won't, I won't. You are going to be held to the standard which you hold others.
The only thing you should hope for is that the victims recover, find justice, and the person or persons responsible are caught and prosecuted no matter who they are.