The New Pope Is a Bigot Just Like the Last Pope

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Jesuits are the best brand of Catholics.

care bear on March 13, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Yes, Jesuits are the best brand of Catholics (think Seattle U and Gonzaga), but they're still not great. The new pope during the battle over gay marriage in Argentina: "Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God."

on March 13, 2013 at 12:28 PM

"The name's Pope Francis, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you."

rainbird on March 13, 2013 at 12:30 PM

He'll have to show his papers if he goes to Arizona.

BrownBear on March 13, 2013 at 12:35 PM

“Let's not be naive, we're not talking about a simple political battle; it is a destructive pretension against the plan of God. We are not talking about a mere bill, but rather a machination of the Father of Lies that seeks to confuse and deceive the children of God.”

Thus spake Francis in 2010

http://www.lifesitenews.com/news/archive…

emma's bee on March 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

@3,

"Lighten up, Francis"

Urgutha Forka on March 13, 2013 at 12:36 PM

You just made the list, buddy.

Cracker Jack on March 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

@4: I'm sure Sheriff Joe is worried about the possibility of "Anchor Popes".

rainbird on March 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Neque clamabunt me, Argentina....

Rhett Oracle on March 13, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Ah, so that's what a "more moderate" Pope will look like! Welcome to the future!?

(...or so I heard on the radio, the moderate part...not the future part; no one knows when the future will arrive!)

ArtBasketSara on March 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Same ol', same ol'.

Pope Peabrain on March 13, 2013 at 12:39 PM

Oooooh and the fact that he was against liberation theology and MAY have had two other jesuits killed...

JensR on March 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

So, Francine fought same-sex marriage with all her might in Argentina?

The dear girl lost that one.

I wonder what she's going to lose next?

Habeas pablum.

Brooklyn Reader on March 13, 2013 at 12:43 PM

You take your progress where you can - 1st non-european, 1st jesuit to lead the rotting corpse of the Roman Empire.

Max Solomon on March 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

Also, while Jesuits might be the best brand of Catholics, let's not forget Brendan's piece on Jesuit child rapists in Alaska. http://www.thestranger.com/seattle/the-p…

Sweeney Agonistes on March 13, 2013 at 12:44 PM

I thought for sure Kshama Sawant was going to win this one at least.

gloomy gus on March 13, 2013 at 12:45 PM

Hey, I suppose electing a Hispanic is a step forward.... Somehow. Of course, he is about the whitest South American I've ever seen...

NateMan on March 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

i'll hate myself for asking, but what's the jokey connection between this guy and "Beef (Pope)"?

theophrastus on March 13, 2013 at 12:47 PM

@9, you're the best.

renaekathleen on March 13, 2013 at 12:48 PM

@18, this guy's from Argentina, which headline writers mostly know only as a land of much cattle.

gloomy gus on March 13, 2013 at 12:50 PM

There's something about a 76 year old virgin who thinks masturbation is a mortal sin talking about normal sexual development that is a bit odd.

Still, he's 76 years young. His experiences growing up in Argentina in the 40s will no doubt help him shepherd the Catholic Church through these modern times.

fletc3her on March 13, 2013 at 12:51 PM

You could have written this article no matter who was selected as Pope. Article seems pretty pointless. Makes me think of a Communist leaflet announcing the election of President Bernie Sanders with, "New American President is just as much a private-enterprise loving, capitalist lackey as the last guy."

on March 13, 2013 at 12:52 PM

http://ncronline.org/blogs/ncr-today/pap…

palamedes on March 13, 2013 at 12:54 PM

@4, no he wouldn't. He's whiter than white. Most Argentinians are. The Pope is from the very sizable Argentinian-Italian community, which pretty much runs Argentina. I wouldn't be surprised if he grew up speaking Italian in the home; his parents were born in Italy.

I assume we'll be seeing lots more about his views in coming days. I've seen him described as "reform-minded", but he's also been accused of collaborating with the junta. Nazi? Radical? Presumably somewhere in between. There was zero chance of a non-anti-gay pope or a non-anti-contraception or a non-anti-woman pope; there were no such candidates, and never will be. Those people aren't even in the church anymore.

The real open question is, "does he give a shit about the poor?" (also "does he know anything about banking reform?", the dirtiest little secret in the Vatican these days).

Fnarf on March 13, 2013 at 12:55 PM

I feel completely popeless about this whole process... :(

treacle on March 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM

What's his stance on threatening children with eternal torture?

pox on March 13, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Another irrelevant, entitled old fuck. Don't believe that "Francis" shit either. Girl will be drippin' diamonds and munchin' prime rib and caviar.

Bauhaus I on March 13, 2013 at 12:57 PM

Did you honestly think the Catholic Church was going to appoint a guy who doesn't support their views?

Proteus on March 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

"The name's Francis, but everybody calls me Psycho. Any of you guys call me Francis, and I'll kill you. And I don't like nobody touching my stuff. So just keep your meat-hooks off. If I catch any of you guys in my stuff, I'll kill you. Also, I don't like nobody touching me. Now, any of you homos touch me, and I'll kill you."

Matthew Richter on March 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla…

BridgetMcCurry on March 13, 2013 at 12:58 PM

Time to re-read Malachi Martin's 1988 The Jesuits.

"Voltaire went to a Jesuit school. He said later that he learned Latin and nonsense."

rob! on March 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM

The doddering Cardinal Egan, fawning about what a good friend Francis is, did get off one good, self-deprecating line: "I feel like The Old Man and the See."

Neither Bri Wi nor one-time Seattleite George Weigel batted an eye.

Cornichon on March 13, 2013 at 12:59 PM

Speaking of the Vatican banking system vis-å-vis the Pope, required reading is David A. Yallop's "In God's Name: An Investigation into the Murder of Pope John Paul I".

Rhett Oracle on March 13, 2013 at 1:01 PM

What did you expect? Pope James St. James? Granted that would have been fabulous but getting a Jesuit in is, to my mind, somehow significant.

motofly on March 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM

@ 17 Have you ever been to South America? Chile and Argentina are pretty "white". He looks like a typical Argentinian to me. BTW I'm Chilean

on March 13, 2013 at 1:02 PM

I wonder what he was up to during the Dirty War. It sounds like Catholic priests in Argentina on both sides of the Dirty War were involved in killings. "Catholic priest Christian von Wernich was found guilty of complicity in 7 homicides, 42 kidnappings, and 32 instances of torture, and sentenced to life imprisonment in 2007."

Q*bert H. Humphrey on March 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Tim Minchin nails it, for every Pope, past and present.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pla…

BridgetMcCurry on March 13, 2013 at 1:07 PM

Congratulations to Pope Juggalo!

BostonFontSnob on March 13, 2013 at 1:11 PM

I for one welcome the new Torture Regime.

Will in Seattle on March 13, 2013 at 1:12 PM

impudicitia in ingenuo crimen est, in servo necessitas, in liberto officium

Fenrox on March 13, 2013 at 1:18 PM

What Proteus said @29...
Not that I wouldn't be thrilled for the Catholic church to actually get with the times, but I would have been surprised if he WASN'T against abortion, birth control, and gay marriage.

KateRose on March 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I also didn't understand the "Beef Pope" nickname. To me, Argentina is tango, Carlos Gardel, and Evita Peron, primarily. Sorry, Dominic!

floater on March 13, 2013 at 1:23 PM

I think the Argentine steak houses are mostly in other countries since it wouldn't make much sense to import beef to the U.S.

fletc3her on March 13, 2013 at 1:32 PM

According to this, he was an active participant in the crimes of the junta:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/…

monorail on March 13, 2013 at 1:44 PM

@44, Argentinian beef is vastly superior to most American beef, since it's all grass-fed, not stuffed with corn (which cows can't digest) on feedlots. Most US steakhouses would greatly improve their offerings if they went Argentinian. In fact, America has some of the worst beef in the world -- but such huge portions!

Fnarf on March 13, 2013 at 1:46 PM

My estimation of US associations/stereotypes/whatever about Argentina (discarding incorrect ones that might actually be more popular, like Pinochet or something), in roughly descending order: Evita Peron, beef (mostly from the phrase "what does that have to do with the price of beef in Argentina?"), tango, Nazis in hiding, the currency crisis of a decade ago, the Falklands War, Jorge Luis Borges, Tierra del Fuego/penguins, gauchos...

Q*bert H. Humphrey on March 13, 2013 at 1:47 PM

Obviously, if you support gay marriage or abortion you aren't going to be the Pope. You just aren't. But given that Rome has never had a great relationship with the Jesuits, I couldn't believe my ears when I heard the Pope was Jesuit. Jesuits are like the "hippie liberals" of Catholic Prietshood. Including having been excommunicated for a couple hundred years because they were too open to learning from other religons and cultures instead just trying to stuff Catholic dogma down everyone's throats. I am not Catholic, but I went to a couple Jesuit Schools and I have a lot of resepect for Jesuit ideals around education and serving others.

on March 13, 2013 at 1:48 PM

@37- As long as he wasn't ordaining women or marrying single sex couples, it doesn't fucking matter. The last pope was in the Nazi youth club.

dwightmoodyforgetsthings on March 13, 2013 at 1:52 PM

@46 is correct.

Will in Seattle on March 13, 2013 at 2:05 PM

As a born (but long-lapsed) Catholic, I find it so cute when non-Catholics wring their hands over the Vatican's lack of political flexibility. It is sweet, really, of them to think that any pope would be pro-choice or support the ordination of women or married men. The whole institution of the papacy is built around denying those things. There's never going to be a Pope Gorbachev or Pope Obama to sweep the bad old days away. The church is well aware that everything is rotting behind the scenes and they're doing their best back there with wire and duct tape (on walls and on protesting mouths), but if they let the façade crumble the church will be over.

Prettybetsy on March 13, 2013 at 2:10 PM

Hm, on the one hand, at least he's not ex-Hitler Youth. On the other hand, he's from Argentina, so he probably knows quite a few...

COMTE on March 13, 2013 at 2:12 PM

@46 You are correct, sir. I grew up on South American grassfed beef and I can't eat steak here in the US. After the chewy, mega-flavorful beef you get there, American steaks taste like chewing on a big soggy dish sponge.

on March 13, 2013 at 2:15 PM

I propose we instead refer to him as Pope McBeef.

sperifera on March 13, 2013 at 2:25 PM

Argentine Pope?

NYT headline: "Argentine Church Faces ‘Dirty War’ Past"

Somebody got some 'splainin' to do ...

Clara T on March 13, 2013 at 2:29 PM

I'll just leave this here, as I've been singing it all morning:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStP…

merry on March 13, 2013 at 2:31 PM

Not sure what people were expecting, this is one of the largest institutional monotheisms in the world. Patriarchal like all monotheisms. Surely we weren't expecting a political liberal, if so the essential medieval characteristics of the church would cease to exist.

marbelo on March 13, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Pope Francis - Chosen to fill the Chair of Peter, leader of over
the Billion + of we Catholics. Chosen by the power of the Holy Spirit to service all mankind. May God Bless him and all Christians.

Phred TN on March 13, 2013 at 3:41 PM

Nope. 58 comments still can't make me really care who the pope is.

Sorry for the negativity. Carry on.

Matt from Denver on March 13, 2013 at 3:50 PM

If he's not a pedophile he does not qualify to be pope

movedtovegas on March 13, 2013 at 4:06 PM

Rare event, but I agree with Matt from Denver. Nothing can really make me care about the pope. Funny all this media hoopla over conclaves and the color of smoke every 10 years.

If I like anything catholic it's Teillard de Chardin or Teresa Avila, not some crusty representative of dead ritual. And please, about the gay stuff, it will take the pope as long as it took to see that Galileo was right after all.

dirac on March 14, 2013 at 7:41 AM

Why "Beef Pope"? Why not "Francis the Talking Pope"? After all, he's going to be no better than a mule...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XE3fw68vM…

Dingle Berries on March 14, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Why do people want to be Catholic?

Amanda on March 15, 2013 at 5:50 PM

The Bible says what it says, if you don't like it take it up with the author. When you characterize a person for what they believe, what does that make you? When the Bible talks about Sodom. it states they were worshiping idols and Jehovah heard the cry's of the children. Jehovah gave the adults over to a reprobate mind, then they went further into unnatural use of their body. When it comes to a child it is better to play it safe than be sorry. Every Christian is Catholic, we follow the Bible that the Catholic church approved for the world. The Catholic church is not perfect but the message is truth. Jesus Christ died on the cross so we may be forgiven our sins, that's the truth.

ckdavis8817 on April 12, 2013 at 7:28 AM

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