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To answer your question, we abandoned the "one voice, one vote" model with Citizens United.

Since money is speech, it follows that the amount of speech you have a right to is decided not by your fundamental rights, but by your net worth. Since the Koch brothers have more money than me, they are entitled to have more say in their governance than me.

We can never have true democracy in this country until Citizens United is overturned, plain and simple.
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Amen. We're looking at something like 80% turnout here, which is insane. There's corruption and voter suppression going on like mad, though.

One of the groups I'm involved with has been receiving reports that people are being turned away, made to show picture ID, not allowed to register, and various other efforts at stopping them from getting their voices heard.

We're doing everything we can out here to get every possible person to vote and to have their vote count. And our enemies are doing everything they can to confuse or outright block people. It's disgusting.
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of course they are.

if everyone votes, they lose.

luckily for them, young and working people are easily distracted by bread lines and for-profit circuses.
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acorn
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Actually it's not part of the game. It is illegal. There have been convictions in the past for similar activities. Not nearly enough of course, and I doubt this instance will be prosecuted, but it should.
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Conservatives, I can't hear your reasoned arguments over the sound of your screeching.
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It's amazing how stupid the left wing's base is…. look squirrel!

Keep up the excuse making…...
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What do you mean you "understand" and "Its part of the game"?

The dems should make a HUGE deal about this. There is one party that wants fewer people to vote. Somehow they have let the republicans dominate the debate with their voter fraud hysteria.
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Why is it not a bigger deal? Because the Democrats aren't doing it. If they were trying to discourage the old-white people vote Republicans would be screaming bloody murder and it would be a huge scandal.

Republicans get away with fucking everything though. It's major bullshit, and they only way they are still a competitive national party are through these "lets stop people from voting" measures they pass all the time.
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don't worry, Eric Holder's justice department is ON IT like a hobo on a ham sandwich.
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Since this is fundamental to our democracy, they should make it a mandatory life in prison for anyone convicted of voter suppression (or paying/funding someone to do so). It seems the convictions are always after the election is over and the damage done. And I think they usually pay a fine, which means this is just a cost of doing business for those who cheat.
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@9

Hey, hey. HEY. Hey. Voter fraud is a big deal, a huge threat. Like, a dozen or so votes in any given election may be fraudulent, and if we need to cut 10,000 people off the rolls to help stamp out those dozen fraudulent votes, then that's just what we'll have to do. The tree of liberty needs to be watered with the blood of patriots, or something like that.
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this is one of those things that's only ok if you're a republican.... such as having affairs or taking bribes
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Just wait another hour for another excuse for the Union's defeat today…by 5 pm, will you all be blaming Diebold?

Never mind that the majority of Wisconsin voters have not problem with limits on state unions; I mean Jesus, even the Democrat isn't running to defend the SEIU's right to collectively bribe (sorry 'bargain') politicians. You morons can't even nominate a candidate who supports the so-called reason for the recall.
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Any idiot who believes a robocall that tells them their vote has already been recorded because they signed a petition doesn't deserve to vote.
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#15 Any idiot who would even consider voting for Scott Walker or any republican is by definition a moron and doesn't deserve to vote.
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Yes, fucking with voters is a bad thing. But not nearly as much a disgrace as the more than 50% of Americans that just plain can't be bothered to get their ass of the couch to participate in our democracy.

The Repubs have got nothing on apathy.
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A likely incorrect, but widely-accepted early 20th C. folk etymology of the word "phony" stems from early scams that used the telephone.

I'm all for free speech, but willful lying shouldn't be covered, especially when it's part of a concerted conspiracy. It's sad that it's illegal to defraud people of property, but not their rights of citizenship.
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Barrett voter in Madison here. I totally agree.
However, I hope your condemnation is consistent. A Walker voter I know here was peeved this week when she got six (6!) visits by canvassers that had her address and a fake name with it as having signed the recall petition. ie, someone fraudulently used her address to sign the petition. You know, a serious crime.
Pissed me off to hear a real example of petition fraud. No matter which side did it.
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This country deserves to perish.
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Republicns know that, since they have no new constructive ideas of their own, they have to rely on baffling the uneducated with bullshit.

...and I agree that those responsible for these shameful calls should be prosecuted.
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I... I kind of agree with @15 here.
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Washington State will be liberated from the SEIU next....

UW employee spent hours web surfing, gets 916 hours of OT
Posted by Katherine Long

A University of Washington fire alarm control supervisor made 5,211 visits to non-work-related websites during a 16-month period, a state auditor’s report has found.

According to the report, the employee made visits to sports, fantasy football, animal rescue, social networking and video websites, and a personal email account, during a 16-month period in 2010 and 2011. The employee made 30 visits a day to non-work-related sites on at least 50 separate dates, and 192 visits to non-work-related sites in a single day.

During an overlapping 13-month time period, the auditor’s office found that the employee was paid 916 hours of overtime, or about 3.3 hours of overtime a day.

But university officials say they do not believe the employee was racking up overtime while surfing the Web.

As part of an $8 million project to replace all the fire alarms on campus, the UW had asked the employee and a second supervisor to work up to 3 hours of overtime a day, for two years, to supervise the project. The two men made about $30,000 a year extra in overtime, said Charles Kennedy, associate vice president of facilities services. Their base salary is about $70,000.
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@16: Not relevant to my comment.
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I also tend to agree with @15. Representative Democracy needs informed citizens in order for it to work.

At the same time, informed citizens would end up being informed via the media, and if the media isn't doing its job in reporting stories like this very well, then it's hard to blame people if they become confused (OK, no it isn't, but it's at least a little understandable).

I'd be curious to know, verbatim, what the call said, because if it actually said, "if you signed petition X, your vote has been registered and you needn't report to your designated polling place today/tomorrow/whenever," then it is illegal.

They must have either added something on the end of the call, after most people would have hung up, or worded it very carefully...or, they're in violation of the law and no one is bothering to do anything about it.
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119% voter participation in Madison (same day registration)
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Of course the Republicans would try something like that because most of their people aren't that bright. They'd believe a robo call that told them they didn't need to vote.
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#24 if you want to impose some kind of intelligence test on voter eligibility (i.e. like a literacy test, which was banned in 1965 by the Voter Rights Act, btw) then yes, by all means, lets open up the discussion about what should be a minimum intelligence threshold for being able to vote. You think believing a dishonest robo-call is sufficient grounds to disqualify a citizen's right to vote. I would counter that anyone who believes and supports anything a republican says should be disqualified as well. For being idiotic, stupid and likely a moron. My litmus test is about as relevant as yours.
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Apparently the phone number placing the calls is registered to the Republican Party. And the Republicans have claimed that they had ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to do with the calls.
It's a case of "me or your lying eyes" in here now.
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@1 I mean I am kind of with you; but money ISNT QUITE speech; and no one is deciding the value of your speech by your net worth. Just because a voice is heard doesn't mean it is respected [see: Nader; see: Paul; see: Perot; see: Kucinich - all multi-millionaire candidates]

There is ultimately no replacement for charisma and talkin' good.
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@15 is right
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surely someone has missed this robocall and has the message in their voicemail, along with the time stamp and originating phone number. as soon as that person can produce the evidence, the matter can be investigated.

I'm all for recalling this son of a bitch. My parents, grandfathers, aunts and uncles were all union workers. But I can't decide which is worse, the fact that dishonest tactics are at play in this election, or the commenters from the link Paul provided.
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victory in Wisconsin!

your public service unions are going down....

bitches.
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"Wisconsin Republicans Are Trying to Discourage Liberal Voters"

and beating your asses is a nice way to do it.

EEEEYHAAAUW!!!

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