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The link appears to be all jacked up, Brendan.
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Oh man, I took a break from re-reading "1984" to read this post, and I have whiplash.
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"That guy? He's crazy. Bad apple. We won't comment on the particulars of his caseā€”because we want to respect his privacy, you understandā€”but he's not reliable. Just one crazy guy."

Sounds like Occupy Wall Street.
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So glad I wasn't raised with religion. My father believed in god but thought the whole organized prayer thing was a load of crap.
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I keep expecting the Mars Hill exiles to be, you know, not conservative Christians anymore. It's weird to hear criticism alongside a lot of the theological positions that are also characteristic of MH.
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Delicious! Excited to see this monster torn down and maybe I'll get my friends back.
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Which link, Actionsquid? And what browser are you using? They seem okay to me.
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Whaaaaat? You mean the same people that believe that they have a direct line to God and a license to teach his children are also power hungry and brook no contradictions to their pronouncements? That's crazy.
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NEWSFLASH: Cult leader is behaving like a cult leader, film at 11.
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@7 - the link to the NY Times article in the penultimate paragraph of Kevin Potts' email. I'm using Safari, and it looks goofy to me, too.
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I, for one, am shocked.

*popcorn*
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Wonder when Driscoll is moving Mars Hell to Guyana?
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Know what other wackadoo "christian" organization features obedience, secrecy, church-owned housing, and involvement in the extramarital affairs of members? The Fellowship.

(Douglas Coe, C Street house, National Prayer Breakfast, etc., etc.)
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And people think Catholics are nuts. When I stopped being Catholic, all I did was stopped going to church. No one came after me.

It seems like this is largely a situation that adults have put themselves in, and they are allowing themselves to be bullied by what appears to be mentally ill people.

If I had been foolish enough to get involved in something like Mars Hill, and wanted to leave it, I would do just that, and not care about what the church thought, or what contractural obligations they felt they had over me. This all reads like some stupid high school drama, or the sort of thing that happens when one leaves a fraternity (which I did. Twice)
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Would the fact that this Driscoll character wrote a 463-page book called: "Doctrine: What Christians Should Believe" not immediately tell everyone that this was one arrogant control freak?
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Catalina is right (again). Being raised Lutheran, when we get mad at church leadership, we just start another Lutheran synod.
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12, my mind went there, too. Only the road it took was: what would they use instead of Kool-Aid THIS time.....
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@3: Not even defending anyone in OWS, but you can't really compare an authoritarian top-down charismatic group to a group that goes too far to be inclusive that it attracts whackadoodles.
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@ 10. Oh THAT link. Thanks. I'll fix that.
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17: you mean flavor aid?
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For a comment on this kind of 'Christianity' see:
http://flora-s-poste.blogspot.com/2012/0…
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http://santitafarella.wordpress.com/2012…

Check out this thread. Interesting one. Andrew didn't tell the whole story....
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@Catalina and @Teslick, please do not belittle Spiritual Abuse. If you have never been in that situation, you are well and truly very lucky people, how easy it is for you to blame the victim, yet like any other kind of abuse, it is still abuse and carries all of the same psychological, emotional and spiritual implications of abuse. You would not blame a sexually abused person who knew their abuser for "not having known better" nor one who is physically abused for wilfully volunteering to enter an abusive relationship, would you? Would you say, "they had it coming?" or "They deserved it?" because your comments make light of a serious issues.

I was a member of a Church with similarly abusive tactics to MH, and they were so subtle, what started as a pursuit to serve God and love his people on my part incredulously became a war in my mind and a perpetual habit of shame, doubt, fear, second-guessing myself, self-harming and being too terrified that 'God' would abandon me just as my erstwhile "Church friends" did when I was in that situation. I was being "punished" first by my support network, second by myself, (third I thought by God) and then fourth by people like you who made me think it was my fault for missing the signs beforehand. They were not evident signs when I entered what was a welcoming, warm, loving, faithful and seemingly-normal community. In fact, I witnessed many people's lives be changed for the better and even participated in furthering a vision I really believed was of God and from God. A lot of the outreach programmes and ministry arms of such Churches are lifelines to marginalised members of communities like the homeless, substance abusers, unemployed etc offering support, resources and good moral advice and provisions in areas neglected by local government and other charities. Lots of these initiatives are good and positive. Most people who stay out of harm's way can successfully impact thousands of lives whilst attending abusive Churches without enduring any abuse themselves.

I am not stupid, naive, less worthy of acceptance, the benefit of the doubt or the respect of people like yourselves and even non-believers just because I attended a Church which increasingly became cult-like. I could not possibly have been expected to foresee that as the Church began to grow the loving community would turn into a mega-prison. It all happened really fast. My reasons for joining the Church were sincere and pure, and what went on inside there was not immediately suspicious. Had it been, I would have left. Once I started to have questions, my whole life was already locked into the "system" and the fear of getting out was worse than the fear of staying in. I would have also let a lot of needing people down. I joined an abusive Church because I wanted to make a difference to peoples' lives. I still do.

The only thing worse than being abused by those you trusted and loved is when you have the courage to walk away from it all and endure the slander to your name, loss of reputation, standing, relationships with family members who stay in the system and loss of friends; and then outsiders who were not even in that situation come on line and label you as another "religious dumb sheep" who "should have known better" or imply that you are someone who was "probably asking for it". It adds insult to injury, and makes you feel how I would imagine a victim of rape feels on a stand when the Defence Attorney asks for the hundredth time whether the person they KNOW assaulted them, "really did it".
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Anya Lynch. Christina McBride. Sarah Koelsch. Watch out East Ballard. Ballard Park Apartments is a host to these "ladies," aka Mars Hill Bullies of the worst brand. This little enclave on NW 63rd St - 98107, is no place for a non-member. In addition to harasment, bullying, and an assortment of invasion of privacy tactics, these girls have made this little hole in the wall a living hell.

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