buh bye.

shots!

I would have preferred the "fuck you" post. Go out with a bang, I always say.

You should do the exaggerated applause gag--as in we don't approve but we're sure glad you're done.
See you next year--I've won the lottery! Just kidding.

Good riddance, you mushmouthed old troll.

I would have read your posts if they weren't all about at long as the Silmarillion. Get the fuck out.

@4: "Mushmouthed old troll." That's brilliant! I do think Mr. Dale might have brought out the best in the Slogerati. I might even miss him next week.

Might.

@5 - nicely put. :)

@5 Rofl, yeah I gave up on that too.

Dennis, your Wall of Verbiage technique, while being hilarious, gave me no decent reason to actually try to read it after the first post. I hope you die sad and alone, my friend. May history obliterate all traces of your existence.

Shot! Here's to Dennis, the only man in comparison to whom Will in Seattle seemed very nearly cogent this week.

@9 I think you mean "body shot"...off Sergio's abs.

allow me to summarize:

blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah black president blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah racism is over blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah poor old white male me blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

What is it about your writing that is so unappealing? I just can't make myself read enough to disagree with you. I typically pride myself in enjoying writers from many ideological perspectives, but your words just turn into mush.

And there we have it. A bare-faced White Nationalist screed.

This will be the last time I ever read the Stranger. Printing this shit is vile. I imagine some of your advertisers will feel likewise.

Hey! In here! We need twenty more commenters to foam and cuss and spill a lot of bile!

What's that? Better make it more than twenty? Ok!

Canuck, you encouraged me to look up Sergio's doings - would you believe a dustup with Ronaldo in the Real Madrid locker room is part of rumors Ramos is entertaining offers from teams in England? Hmph.
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2011/01/19/…

That was actually by far the most coherent and well-written post of the bunch.

13: And there we have it. A bare-faced White Nationalist screed.

What is it? It's White Nationalism.

What's it for? Well, it's your new boogey-man. Yeah, like a villain. Like the KKK and Neo-Nazis? Yes, exactly! It's not actually a thing you have to learn about--oh, sure, I guess there are some crazies in a basement somewhere who believe in it, but that's not the point. It's just a term and set of images. You can throw it in your brain whenever someone starts talking about race in ways that run against your grain and make you uncomfortable.

Yup, you can use it to suppress debate and cow people into submission. It's just a little more high-brown and current. No, no, you can keep the old ones, they still work, too. Think of this as sort of a fine liquor to add to your cabinet, or an expensive cologne.

You read WAY too much into that speech! Wow. He never said the things you insist he said. And racism is dead? Yeah. right.... You just keep deluding yourself.

Wow, DD. You're reeeeaaaalllly bothered that we have a black president, aren't you?

tl;dr

@9: Is it over? Cuz I can't drink any more shots, I really can't. Well, maybe just one more.......

No more posts from this guy?

Hallelujah!!!

What, gus? He'll get all pasty in England, not to mention the steady diet of bangers and mash will wreak havoc on his lovely skin...sad days, indeed. But that Ronaldo seems like a cow, so it doesn't surprise me.

In other news, I am watching "I Am Love" as I type, but as the subtitles are cut off by my silly TV, and my Italian is 25 years rusty, I am merely gaping at the stunning landscape, marveling at their palazzo, and watching the sex. Young son with the fine features is quite hot...

@17: "It's just a little more high-brown and current."

Your Freud is showing.

Oh, darling Canuck, the words are wonderful though! Aaugh! Still, you have the fabrics, the lighting, the furniture, the hair, the jewelry....yes, young son and his friend the chef...

Oh gus, the accident...is this becoming a morality play? And why didn't she jump in after him...sob. Tilda is a goddess, she and Cate Blanchett (who was in my other favourite movie, Oscar and Lucinda) are just radiant. And eating the shrimp...like Babette's Feast...

Noooooooooooo, she's putting on a black dress...

@8: http://www.fairfaxunderground.com/forum/…

Thanks DD, for all of your 'fuck you' posts. I honestly wish you (and your friends who registered just to comment on your posts two days ago at 3am) well.

no..no.. dennis .. this is how you do it.
FUCK you ! and fuck you ..and fuck especially YOU.. fuck all y'all ! all ya'll motherfuckers can kiss where the sun don't shine up my lily white ass... motherfuckers.. and if i catch any one of you unclefuckers around my house..or fucking with my kids.. or fucking with ANY of my peoples..i will FUCK you and your family UP !
DO !
YOU !
HEAR !
ME ????...
*motherfucking piece of shit motherfuckers*
...
see ?

Wow....you "guys" are mean.

I don't agree with Mr. Dale's arguments, but I think he stated them well enough that I became curious to read the comments for an adequate response. I'm disappointed, and I have to think that he is, too.

First, to call him a "White Nationalist" -- at least based on the content of this post (I haven't read his others) -- means that you didn't read the piece. Second, to insinuate that he's a racist for being white and discussing race actually helps his argument -- that the people within the civil rights movement who are benefiting the most from the civil rights movement have a political motive for encouraging and perpetuating a narrative of oppression.

I think his argument is too cynical. Sure, political parties will have hidden strategic agendas that run counter to their expressed agendas (i.e. the Republican Party will never really overturn Roe v. Wade because abortion is such a motivating source of energy and contributions from their base), but the civil rights movement is larger than a single point of law and is not so easily controlled.

Also, his argument discounts the presence of deep, ongoing white privilege in this country and elsewhere in the Western world. Light-skin people are more prone to get the benefit of the doubt in every aspect of society and dark-skinned people are more likely to be met with suspicion. It is a subtle but constant reaffirming of position that comes not just from white people, but from our culture as a whole. Over time, it provides ample advantage to white people and ample disadvantage to black people. You can see some effect of this white privilege when you divide broad swaths of people by race -- in finance, in justice, in education, whites fair better than blacks.

This is the fact that many white supremacists wrongly use to conclude that white people are smarter or somehow better. They ignore that science has proven, over and over again, that humans, as a group, are nearly identical in their capacities. Whites aren't better than blacks. Blacks aren't better than whites. We are all equal because we are all the same.

So what, then, explains what Mr. Dale calls "a black population that is ... stubbornly lagging in professional and scholastic achievement?" I think it must be the legacy and generational aftermath of a forced migration, the routine destruction of family and culture, and the subjugation of human labor over a span of several centuries that greatly disrupted the lives of millions of people.

I think we can all reasonably agree that we've come a very long way in a short time on the subject of civil rights in this country, but electing Barack Obama president did not solve the problem of white privilege (especially when you consider that George W. Bush essentially failed his way up to the office before him).

Affirmative Action is not a very elegant solution to the white privilege issue, but it's something. Sure, I think it has been counter productive in ways, inefficient in others and in some ways it's downright unfair, but changing a culture is harder than doing a three-point turn with an aircraft carrier. Still, better to do it imperfectly over a long time than to not try to do it at all.

@ 33: You said: "science has proven, over and over again, that humans, as a group, are nearly identical in their capacities. Whites aren't better than blacks. Blacks aren't better than whites. We are all equal because we are all the same."

Of course no group is "better" than any other. We are all human and everyone of us has a unique set of talents regardless of whatever group we belong to. But "science" certainly has not proven that we are all identical in our capacities, or even that there aren't differences between some groups. What percentage of these differences is genetic and what is cultural I don't know, but you can't tell me that there isn't some inherent advantage that West Africans don't enjoy say, in the 100 meter dash, or that East Asians as a group tend to produce more individuals adept at higher mathmatics.

This doesn't mean to say that group proclivities should ever have any bearing on individual opportunity, because our group affinities say nothing about our indvidual talents (e.g. Yao Ming vs. Neil DeGrasee Tyson). However we need to get past the idea that every profession or occupation must include individuals from each societal group in exact proportion to their representation in the larger society. If there is evidence of systematic discrimination, root it out and remedy that particular situation. But just the mere fact that one group dominates a certain sector does not mean that someone is being unfairly excluded. This is the unitended evil of concepts such as "disparate impact" which assume that wrongdoing is the cause for every instance of unequal outcome. Applying "social justice" remedies on a group basis always means injustice for some individuals. The only legitimate course of action is the defense and encouragment of equality of opportunity.

Damn it venom @#5, I literally sprayed rum and Pepsi all over my desk.

Rum and Pepsi? ICK. You're very young aren't you?

Jesus Christ, I spend ONE WEEK in nowhere afghanistan, drive 10 hours back to my FOB through an ambush and I have to read Dale Dennis' inane ramblings? Dear Strangercrombie, dump the free slog posts as an option already.

@34: Agreed, there are noticeable differences between ethnic groups and we don't know for certain how much that difference is genetic and how much is our environment. Given that we share 99.9% of the same dna, though, I'm inclined to believe that the differences are mostly environmental.

My point is that our environment, our culture, is one that still favors white people. Your point about defending and encouraging the equality of opportunity is well taken but I think it is impossible to implement. Simply making everyone an equal opportunity employer won't by itself level the playing field if everyone hasn't had equal preparation for the job.

Because white privilege is so deeply ingrained in us, so hidden from ourselves even, there's no way that we as individuals can really change it. I AM NOT SAYING WE ARE ALL INCORRIGIBLE RACISTS. I am instead saying that institutionalized racism was comparatively easy to spot and change. Our culture of white privilege will only recede after many generations of effort.

I agree that we do not need to have statistical representation of each race in every profession. We do need to devote specific resources to African American families and students if we sincerely hope to have real racial equality in this country.

@37: I'm curious about what conclusions you're drawing from these "FACTS that 'progressives' ignore and excuse." Is it that black people are several orders more murderous than white people?

Do these facts describe a symptom of the problem we've been discussing or do they describe its cause?

@42: "Because white privilege is so deeply ingrained in us, so hidden from ourselves even, there's no way that we as individuals can really change it."

So why bother with it? I can tell you it is very hidden from myself. If we need a microscope or an MRI to find our racism, is it such a big deal?

White privelege was certainly a dominant factor in race relations for the first two centuries of this nation. I can tell you though, I certainly haven't noticed a whole lot of privilege stemming from my white maleness during my lifetime, just the opposite actually. Maybe I need a telescope.

We need to devote resources to eveyone, we need to start treating people as individuals who are full partners in the human condition.

re 33:
I don't agree with Mr. Dale's arguments, but I think he stated them well enough that I became curious to read the comments for an adequate response. I'm disappointed, and I have to think that he is, too.

Thank you. The sad part isn't that these folks don't have it in them, it's that they do.

And there we have it. A bare-faced White Nationalist screed.

This will be the last time I ever read the Stranger. Printing this shit is vile. I imagine some of your advertisers will feel likewise.

The integrity of The Stranger is inversely proportionate to the integrity of this man. Vile, indeed.

re 30:
no..no.. dennis .. this is how you do it.
FUCK you ! and fuck you ..and fuck especially YOU.. fuck all y'all ! all ya'll motherfuckers can kiss where the sun don't shine up my lily white ass... motherfuckers.. and if i catch any one of you unclefuckers around my house..or fucking with my kids.. or fucking with ANY of my peoples..i will FUCK you and your family UP !
DO !
YOU !
HEAR !
ME ????...
*motherfucking piece of shit motherfuckers*
...
see?

No, I can't quite make it out. Perhaps you should project harder.

I'll sign off with a boast, because we all love hiphop: note that I only used 9 of 10 posts due me. I spilled one for my homies.

--Left one in the clip and still had you bobbing your heads the whole time.